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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Upfield (manufacturers of Flora marg, and Proactiv) don't want Mumsnet to buy their products any more

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Barracker · 11/10/2019 14:48

They've made the decision to 'no longer work with Mumsnet' because they want to 'treat everyone equally' because of their 'values'.

By this I'm sure they mean any woman who uses this site should definitely NOT buy their products. That would be an unpleasant association between mumsnet and their values that would be too much to bear.

Here is a helpful list of their products that they don't want in any way associated with Mumsnet:

Country rock
Flora
Rama
BlueBand
Lätta
Flora Proactiv
Becel
I can't believe it's not butter

Please don't sully their brands with any association from you, you horrid mumsnetters. Your money is tainted with unacceptable values.

Upfield (manufacturers of Flora marg, and Proactiv) don't want Mumsnet to buy their products any more
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MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 18:53

I wonder how many TRA’s are actually trans. There is a trend of young woke kids jumping on bandwagons and fighting for something they don’t truly understand because that’s the in thing to be offended about. I’ve had it before, with white people being offended and speaking for me, where I’m actually like, I don’t feel like that actually! I know a lot of people on my Facebook who are vocal about trans rights aren’t actually trans.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2019 18:54

“no actual trans woman I’ve met thinks that someone still intact should be in rape centers, prisons etc.”

Presumably they'd agree with us that self ID is a dangerous idea?

Michelleoftheresistance · 11/10/2019 18:56

It's appalling that your friend was beaten up, I hope those responsible were arrested and charged and your friend has been able to recover.

Removing rights from women - like the right to single sex hcps for example - does nothing to prevent atrocities such as your friend suffered. It actually doesn't cause them either. Violence being seen as funny, justifiable, something you can crack on with to people you don't agree with - that's something that is a huge huge problem in society and probably had a lot to do with it. You don't ever see that in GC women. You see it in spades everywhere from the TRA political lobby. Sad It's one of the reasons I don't just politically disagree, I find it downright immoral. There is no reason, ever, why some poor person should walk around with their jaw wired shut because someone felt entitled to batter them. Entitlement is what it comes down to.

MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 18:56

Yes they do @ErrolTheDragon. They believe that you have to undergo the full transition before being able to officially be recognized as the opposite sex. We’ve had many talks about this before, as I’m from a much less understanding culture.

Ereshkigal · 11/10/2019 18:57

Oh and she uses Kerry Gold butter I think? A Grass fed cow butter

Ooh lovely.

Juells · 11/10/2019 19:01

Am I missing something? I've searched the Upfield twitter feed but can't see that? Has it been removed?

ErrolTheDragon · 11/10/2019 19:03

I wonder how many TRA’s are actually trans. ...

I think many of us also wonder that.

It may be that your friends are not so far in their views from the transwoman who was unsuccessfully sued by 'mimmymum', the person who has stirred up this particular 'investigation' by Upfield.

HumberElla · 11/10/2019 19:05

Monstrance you sound like a good friend and a loyal one too. I’m sorry to hear about your friend’s treatment at the hands of those who do truly wish to spread hate and cause harm.

Many on MN, particularly FWR, tend to be liberal, left leaning and many have a history as feminists in fighting for the rights of those who are discriminated against. Women have hard won rights and protections that can be whisked away at any time. I don’t want those rights whittled away one layer at a time.

Smallblanket · 11/10/2019 19:06

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MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 19:06

Me too. Bum I’m sucker for standing up for the little guy. The little guy in these cases, who are the ones just trying to quietly live and have nothing to do with “statistics”.

Dangerfloof · 11/10/2019 19:09

They believe that you have to undergo the full transition before being able to officially be recognized as the opposite sex
So those that cant undergo a full transition because reasons?

nilcarborundum · 11/10/2019 19:11

Flora has palm oil in it, so has been off my list for years!

MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 19:12

What reasons? If you truly truly hate being a male, surely a penis is that last thing you would want to have.

Datun · 11/10/2019 19:16

They believe that you have to undergo the full transition before being able to officially be recognized as the opposite sex

That's not something I agree with. Women are not castrated men. It is, however, a stance that a lot of people will buy into. Because it, at the very least, shows commitment. What it doesn't show is that a castrated man is a woman. It's rather insulting to women, actually.

What I totally understand, is the compassion and empathy you can have for somebody with gender dysphoria.

It's a feminist viewpoint. Being dissatisfied with your body, because it does not reflect the behaviour that society wants to attribute to it, is entirely understandable.

It doesn't actually mean that you are the opposite sex.

Dangerfloof · 11/10/2019 19:16

What reasons? If you truly truly hate being a male, surely a penis is that last thing you would want to have

Money, high blood pressure, an inability to withstand anesthetics, a terror of operations, allergies, age, a hundred reasons. I thought you know some trans people?

Fraggling · 11/10/2019 19:17

We use butter or oil in baking. Sometimes both!

As per mn demographic no butter substitutes I thought it was well known about 15 years ago that these spreads are full of shite?

Btw I was surprised and pleased to discover that lurpak butter is from British cows, after visiting a dairy farm in Devon who was a supplier and looking round etc. So yes do buy lurpak. Is a win all round.

PetraDelphiki · 11/10/2019 19:18

For replacements try Tomor (kosher) margerine - it's definitely dairy free if that's what you need. It's what I use for dairy free baking - works well!

Dangerfloof · 11/10/2019 19:18

What reasons? If you truly truly hate being a male, surely a penis is that last thing you would want to have
Hate the lack of an edit function.
Have you been living under a rock? Suck my girldick is an actual quote from an actual trans person.

Melroses · 11/10/2019 19:18

twitter.com/upfieldglobal/status/1182644210803101698

For Juells - it is still there.

MonstranceClock · 11/10/2019 19:18

Well clearly nothing I say here is ever going to be ok, so I’m going to leave now.

thatwouldbeanecumenicalmatter · 11/10/2019 19:19

Thanks Barracker, haven't heard of most of those brands plus I prefer actual food than plastic identifying as food but it's always good to know to avoid which brands that hate women. 👍

Datun · 11/10/2019 19:27

Well clearly nothing I say here is ever going to be ok, so I’m going to leave now.

Oh, ffs. You have been listened to, responded to. You have had questions asked, and you have been given empathy.

But despite all that, you're incapable of supporting your own assertions and position.

It's utterly tedious in its predictability.

When women actually point out where the conflict lies, there is no argument.

It's a waste of time even trying.

JellySlice · 11/10/2019 19:29

For every 1 violent thug who identifies as a woman to abuse the system and have access to women’s spaces, there are 10 trans women who just want to have a piss

Why should TW's desire to have a piss away from men trump women's desire to have a piss away from men?

It's the men who need to budge up and make room for other men who are a bit different to them. It's the men who need to be inclusive of other men.

Fraggling · 11/10/2019 19:38

Thing is the old school transsexuals have been fucked over as well.

Very few, and women turned a blind eye generally.

The push to anyone who says they are a woman is a woman, has made women say, hold on a minute.

Surgery and drugs cannot turn a male female, or versa. That's a fact of life, to use a term that we're all familiar with.

The push to include anyone who says I'm a woman, or I'm a girl, in with women and girls, in all sutuations, has resulted in pushback. Obviously. So now, a lot of women who were ok with turning a blind eye to the very very occasional tw in shops or whatever, have hardened their views. That no people of male sex should be seen as women, because where do you draw the line?

Meanwhile most of it is a done deal. The government made a big deal of single sex wards, and deliberately misled the public. In the 90s! Prisons with Male intact rapists locked in with the women. Massive blokes playing rugby against women. Etc

No. This is a piss take. Its fucking ridiculous. The public are not behind it. The idea that women who don't want the shit I mention above are crazed bigots is ludicrous.

Do these people ever go on male dominated sites and pull this shit. No. V because its a sexist power play.

I am really angry about this tbh.

Fraggling · 11/10/2019 19:39

'For every 1 violent thug who identifies as a woman to abuse the system and have access to women’s spaces, there are 10 trans women who just want to have a piss'

Reverse that stat. At least.

No fucking idea about the shit women and girls put up with from men on a daily basis.

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