"Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys" - Mail on Sunday article

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Great article in the Mail on Sunday today about the awful impacts on girls of being forced to share loos with boys at school. With quotes from a female GP about the health and psychological impacts of girls not having single-sex loos, Stephanie Davies-Arai from Transgender Trend, and David Davies MP

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7542005/Girls-skipping-school-avoid-sharing-gender-neutral-toilets-boys.html

Yes - who is asking/demanding we change? And why would they want this? Is it Fionne or Debbie?

No. It’s more like the little Twitter POV twonks that you wouldn’t even want so sit next to on a bus.

We are NOT talking a single room with cubicles and shared wash basins, as is the case with single sex ones. Each of these toilets is entirely enclosed, (just like the toilet in your own home is), and usually has its own hand washing facilities.

Not true. I attend an evening club based in a local primary. Their toilets are unisex - 3 cubicles, with gaps below and above, and shared washbasin space. Washbasin space not visible from the corridor, two doors and a small passageway to get into them.

Imagine being an 11 year old girl trying to handle your first periods in this environment.

Lamahaha

I've been in loads of ladies toilets where someone has weed on the seat, left used pads or tampons on top of the bin not in it, shit all over the toilet - who's doing that? And what toilet should I use to avoid it?

Couldn't possibly be that some women, like some men, are disgusting and have no thought for the person using the toilet after them could it?

Tequila How does letting men/boys into the female toilets help with this?

The WHO and Unicef say that adequate toilet facilities are essential for girls to have access to education.

Researchers considered a range of factors to determine whether drinking water, toilets and washing facilities were of good quality. For example, if toilets are in place but are not working or are not single sex, schools are deemed to be failing to offer even a basic standard of hygiene and sanitation.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/women-and-girls/lack-toilets-water-school-puts-girls-education-risk/

Why should girls in the UK not have access to single sex toilets when Unicef and the WHO view this as a basic requirement to enable girls to have an education?

I'm still waiting for a non racist answer to that question and have been for months now.

I think it's absolutely vile that schools are doing this. It's not fair that girls are having their privacy taken away from them just to suit the agenda of a few batshit people.

It's quite clear that one poster is clearly talking out of their arse, I was waiting for the comment about how often they find the ladies toilets in a disgusting state with shit "all over the toilet", and the one about how all toilets at home are unisex. It's predictable.

Tequila How does letting men/boys into the female toilets help with this?

It doesn't, but it's just strange how posters are saying X,y and z happens due to men and boys using a toilet when that's not the case. It happens when it's just women using the toilets too. The way you are talking about it is if men weren't there then it wouldn't happen but that's not the case, is it?

Surely, the most useful arguments are the things that are happening only because men or boys are there?

It is a bit off how women who don't like other women very much seem to run across women's loos that look like they came right out of Trainspotting or Hostel with quite remarkable frequency.

The last person claimed that women regularly spread shit all over the walls so I suppose this one is at least aiming for slightly more realism.

TheProdigalKittensReturn

Oh come off it. Do you use public toilets?

No one on here can say they are pleasant places.

Even the toilets where I work are disgusting. It ended up with HR threatening to close them unless people respected them because they refused to tell the cleaners to keep cleaning up the mess - this was the ladies toilets by the way.

Surely, the most useful arguments are the things that are happening only because men or boys are there?

No. We have female toilets for the use of women and girls. If these are to be changed to mixed sex, there needs to be a good reason for doing so. What is the benefit to women and girls of letting men and boys into their toilets?

Well, fragrant anyway...

Are you sure it's not you shitting all over the toilet and leaving waste san pro (if you use it) outside of the provided bins in women's toilets?

Well considering you seem oblivious to the state of many public toilets I could assume that you are one of the ones causing it couldn't I? As you don't notice it nor appear to consider it a problem.

I take it you just walk into a public toilet and sit straight down without checking the seat as you've never seen wee on the seat?

Do you use public toilets?

yes, frequently. in my experience of both public and work toilets, you're talking complete bobbins Tequila

HTH

The last person claimed that women regularly spread shit all over the walls

One poster said they’d seen blood all over the walls...all over the walls

My first thought would have been ‘oh yuck... i hope they are ok’ not ‘dirty mare’

Wait for the pub/nightclub worker who plops in (pun intended!) to say the women's loos are disgusting emporia of excrement and bloodied rags and the male bogs are fragrant and pristine lavatorial oases

Doesnt quite tally with the " I have literally never got blood on my hands when changing a pad/tampon/mooncup" argument every time.someone.brings up privacy in mixed sex spaces.

So which is it?

Girls and women never get blood everywhere and on their hands so why would there be any embarrassment washing hands in.fromt of men?

Or there is blood and shit everywhere?

I'm.confused.

There was an article in, I think, the Times about people who have ‘changed sex’ and now regret it. This current insanity is going to end in lawyers making £millions

@TequilaPilates

I think I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen a public bathroom in the state you've described, are you sure your not accidentally going into the males?

@TequilaPilates we already know that mixed sex changing rooms put women/girls at higher risk of sexual assault so why the hell would any woman in her right mind agree to mixed sex toilets?

Evidence here - www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

“...two thirds of all sexual attacks at leisure centres and public swimming pools take place in unisex changing rooms.

Of 134 complaints over 2017-2018, 120 reported incidents took place in gender-neutral changing rooms and just 14 were in single-sex changing areas.”

yes, frequently. in my experience of both public and work toilets, you're talking complete bobbins Tequila

The people talking bobbins are the ones denying what every other person knows is the truth - public toilets are very often dirty, disgusting places. You carry on denying it. It just makes you look silly.

Hth