"Girls are skipping school to avoid sharing gender neutral toilets with boys" - Mail on Sunday article

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Great article in the Mail on Sunday today about the awful impacts on girls of being forced to share loos with boys at school. With quotes from a female GP about the health and psychological impacts of girls not having single-sex loos, Stephanie Davies-Arai from Transgender Trend, and David Davies MP

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7542005/Girls-skipping-school-avoid-sharing-gender-neutral-toilets-boys.html

I can't believe I'm the only person who regularly finds herself in a womens toilet that's been absolutely disgusting!

saraclara You could campaign for there to be women's and unisex. Then you can use the nice, clean unisex ones with the men, and us grubby women can have our own ones free of men. Everyone's happy.

I've been in loads of ladies toilets where someone has weed on the seat, left used pads or tampons on top of the bin not in it, shit all over the toilet - who's doing that? And what toilet should I use to avoid it?

I am 68. I have travelled a great deal, used many pblic toilets. Yes, I have seen some dirty ones for women, but never anything near what you describe.

Some men and some women wee on the seat and leave them in a state.

I've never, as far as I can recall, seen wee on the seat of a ladies' loo. I have in mixed sex publlic toilets in places like train stations. I don't know, of course, if the wee was left by a woman or a man.

However, most men do raise the seat, and sorry, but they ALL, every one of them, even the good, nice, decent, clean ones, spray urine on the floor when they do this. They can't help it. Maybe they clean up after themselves at home, but never in public loos.

Thus, it's better for them to have their own spaces, with urinals. The spray comes from peeing from a height into water. It leaves a film on the floor which some people simply don't notice, unless they have to clean it.

After a while, it stinks.

Also girls are not required to pass a morality test before they are awarded protection of single sex toilets. It should be a given. And it was, based on risk. Until the current climate.

But, in the schools that I know of, the old style single sex toilets were disliked by the students because of bullying. That was the sole reason why new toilets were built, because gangs of students were preventing other students from using the toilet, alongside incidents of vandalism and bunking off by hiding in the toilets.

Measures such as locking the toilets during lesson time weren't popular because students needed to be able to access the toilets so the schools built these new toilets that removed the opportunity for bullies to operate unseen by staff and students weren't able to hide in there during lessons or vandalise them without risk being seen.

I think.part of the confusion here is around the definition of "mixed sex toilets".

Single sex toilets are not the panacea that you might think they are - there are benefits in that they offer privacy from the opposite sex but then there are also downsides too.

saraclara You could campaign for there to be women's and unisex. Then you can use the nice, clean unisex ones with the men, and us grubby women can have our own ones free of men. Everyone's happy.

See? Making things up again. Nowhere have I said that unisex ones will be cleaner. I indicated that the claim that women are always perfectly clean and hygienic when they use toilets is far from accurate. That's all.

Yes, I have seen some dirty ones for women, but never anything near what you describe.

Can't really think what you've seen then if it doesn't involve wee on the seats, poo.on the seats or dirty sanpro. How else would toilets be dirty?

And you've never seen wee on the seats in the ladies toilets? I just don't believe it.

Tequila You still haven't explained how, in the primary school mentioned in the article, making the existing toilets mixed sex stops bullying. Please explain.

OldCrone

I'm waiting for someone to describe the layout of those toilets.

Also, it's only 1 school and I've already said that if they were previously single sex toilets now made mixed sex then I don't agree with them and don't support them.

Why do you expect me to justify something that I don't agree with?

Tequila, your words were shit all over the toilet. Not even all over the toilet seat -- all over the whole toilet, it sounds like.

So why are you now saying it was just on the seat? Was your first statement an exageration? Maybe to make a point? Fair enough, but please don't deny it.

@TequilaPilates

You say that but I simply can't believe you. I can assure you I know more about the opinions of students and not one would willingly prefer to use mixed sex toilets over single sex ones.

Being a teenager is an incredibly uncomfortable and stressful time in terms of body image and forcing them to use mixed sex bathrooms is horrific.

Nowhere have I said that unisex ones will be cleaner.

So you agree that it's better to leave them single sex. Good.

Lamahaha

I have said on the toilet seat and by all over the toilet I meant the toilet, not the cubicle.

Also, it's only 1 school and I've already said that if they were previously single sex toilets now made mixed sex then I don't agree with them and don't support them.

This is what this thread is about. Lots of schools are just sticking different labels on the doors turning their single sex toilets into mixed sex ones. That's the problem. If you're talking about something else then you seem to have wasted a lot of time under a misapprehension.

Have we not had enough rounds of Groundhog Toilets yet? I vote that everyone stop indulging the derail.

historylover

But what are you meaning by mixed sex?

I assure you that the students using the toilets that I'm describing prefer them to the old style single sex blocks.

They are completely separate cubicles. No one is aware who is using the other cubicles. I'm not sure whether to call them mixed sex or unisex - I'm not sure what the difference is but I'm not seeing why students wouldn't like them.

They offer much more privacy than single sex toilets.

Seconded... in fact I'd suggest carried nem con...

Have we not had enough rounds of Groundhog Toilets yet? I vote that everyone stop indulging the derail.

Amen to that.

OldCrone

And I've said multiple times that I did not know that was happening, I cannot understand how any school can do that and if they are doing it then I don't agree or support it.

I.dont know how much clearer I can be about that so not quite sure why you keep demanding that I defend it.

I came on to talk about the mixed sex/unisex toilets that I am aware of. The linked article makes no real assertion as to what type they are talking about apart from 1 mention of 1 school. They could be talking about both types for all we know.

I came on to talk about the mixed sex/unisex toilets that I am aware of.

Ah, I see. A massive derail changing the subject of the thread to something completely different. Just like you did on another thread yesterday.

Oh fgs. Not a detail at all. The op is talking about mixed sex toilets in schools so.i talked about mixed sex toilets in schools.

Just because they aren't the type of mixed sex toilet that you've decided to.limit the thread to doesn't make it a de rail.

The linked article doesn't make it clear what style they are talking about either.

Can someone remind me of the basics here?
TW want to go into 'female' toilets to be recognised as women.
But toilets are basically split into 'people with penises' and 'people with vaginas', right? So why do they think 'people with penises' is for people who identify as men only - isn't that transphobic?

Typical Daily Mail article where they offer by way of facts to support the claims in the headline the claims of precisely one parent.

Typical Daily Mail article where they offer by way of facts to support the claims in the headline the claims of precisely one parent.

Completely agree with you. One parent at one school.

What one fact/one parent?