BBC Rupaul Drag Quiz

[GrimDamnFanjo]

Online if you want to take it. You translate the drag phrase.
How nice to see that those putting it together didn't think that "fishy" meaning a very feminine drag queen may be offensive....

Well, this is the Feminism board. Here we talk about feminist issues.

@Justhadathought

Fair points, I don't have the same exposure or experiences with the Gay community so I'm not in a position to comment - it sounds like you are drawing from experience.

I see racism against my DH on a daily basis and the battles he fights working in a predominantly white environment, and for whatever reason I find black face so much more offensive than drag. I do understand the arguments that put them side by side however I think the intent is very important and different in the two.

Go sort those out then Mac.

Off you pop.

to empower the women that had transitioned

This is the problem with language changing without consensus. "the women that had" suggests to me that you are talking about women. But are you? Did these women transition to become something else?

I assume from the context of this thread that you are actually talking about men who transitioned to appear as women.

Fish only refers to women - and could be a compliment to a transperson - because it is referring to the smell of a woman's vagina. How could that possibly be anything but offensive? How is that difficult to understand? Why do we need a lecture on queer theory here?

The difference between black face and drag terms is the intent and how they are used. Black face is used by a group in power to put down an oppressed group

You see, I don't think this is as straightforward and unproblematical as you are suggesting.

The gay men have emphasised & exaggerated their felt/identified/experienced 'femininity' in the form of drag...even though what is presented in drag is always of the highly gendered, stereotypical, ballsy, man-eating, bitchy, aggressive, negative feminine stereotype, does not neutralise the 'distaste' felt towards those gendered stereotypes. Everyone knows and feels that this drag queen is 'a bitch' 'Her' cutting dialogue is funny; her whip-lash tongue is hilarious.

But as an actual woman - i have always felt profound dissonance with these presentations, even when I'm supposed to have found them funny. Always found them disrespectful.

I'm sure that there are more pressing matters in the world

Such as?

take it up with the vikings

Which series did you enjoy best? The one with the raping or the one with the slaughtering? 🤔

Climate change, nuclear security, biorisk reduction, positively shaping the development of artificial intelligent, improving health in poorer countries, and Promoting peace and international coordination to name a few.

If you want to be offended by negative connotations that you associate with a word then go ahead.

But consider that fishy in terms of drag does not mean smelly. A word that did mean smelly, in a different context, has been claimed and its meaning changed to feminine. And being feminine is positive. So fishy in drag is positive.

So fishy in drag is positive. nah.

‘Gee, you smell like fish!’
‘Why thank you so kindly’

Climate change, nuclear security, biorisk reduction, positively shaping the development of artificial intelligent, improving health in poorer countries, and Promoting peace and international coordination to name a few.

Honestly, you go. We can hold the fort here. I think all these things will benefit from your input. Just as this thread has.

Just popping in to identify as offended that you are offended that we are offended.

Yeah and BBC. Fishy is disgusting. So many gay men calling lesbians this. Nasty.

Did some sort of klaxon go off?

Who is this uneducated fool above? The quality, spelling and grammar of mumsnet feminist board ain't what it used to be.

I've had several shandies this evening and can still engage spellcheck ffs

All those who don't think it is offensive, call your mums and ask them if they would mind if someone said they smelled of fish because they have a vagina that smells of fish.

We'll wait.

Better than smelling like a dick I suppose...

So fishy in drag is positive. nah.

'Gee, you smell like fish!’'
Why thank you so kindly’

Precisely.

Personally I have ten quid on, 'actually my mum loves being called fish so much she changed her name to Fishy McHaddock'.

Any other takers?

"My mum remembers how hard it was for gay drag artistes in her day and is happy to be compared to fish to make their modern counterparts feel at home"

There's a big difference between smelling like fish, and being fishy.

Oh, huge.

I've only seen drag live once. Drag bingo in Hackney. The guy in drag bitched about Victoria Beckham. It was spectacularly unfunny and not witty at all. Just disturbingly malicious. He came across as someone who hated women.

Yeah. Massive difference.

Did you call your mum Mac?

I'm surprised you're back so soon because thst was helluva to do list.

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