Not having sex with someone because they don't have the right genitals is transphobic. No prizes for guessing who's claiming this

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RM is busy trying to justify their support for a particularly unpleasant tweet yesterday. For those of you who are blocked, I'll add some grabs.

These screenshots from that thread are really upsetting. Not one but 2 transwomen dating women who really don’t want to do penis.

Those poor women who're in relationships in which they're being expected to just "get over" their repulsion towards penises. I wish I could send them all the Freedom Program.

Utterly beggars belief when you read their Twitter posts that this is a) a working academic and b) someone the BBC would interview as an expert. They seem to be operating on more of a JY level of intellect.

Well quite, but when it comes to sexual attraction we are all allowed to be much pickier than our sexual orientation.
You would think so, but nope.
Having a sexual orientation is transphobic according to the latest from the transgender advocacy groups.

Just stopping by to say thanks to pp for the Magdalen link - always appreciated.

She is simply luminous.

I also wish she would have done a series of bedtime stories because her voice was so gloriously languorous

It still pains me that someone who works in bloody epistemology can talk like this.

Oh if RM is asexual that makes some kind of sense - if perhaps they've never felt desire they really don't have a clue what it feels like to want someone physically at all, or why it matters to people to be with someone they desire rather than someone they don't. That makes me feel a bit sorry for RM except that they're a grown adult who might perhaps recognise that pronouncing on stuff you don't experience yourself is a bit adolescent. To be fair I dont really understand asexuality in people who do have sex, as might be clear from this...

I believe they were married to a woman before

I think in this case asexuality means "no one wants to have sex with me", though I might be wrong.

I assumed it was more ‘meh can take it or leave it’. But some people are really over-invested in theorising as to why anyone wouldn’t want to have sex with them.

I’d be interested to know where the cut off point for saying no is? As far as I’m concerned I’m entitled to change my mind at any point for any reason. Even after the person has penetrated me I can say Stop. They can’t legally say “Oops too late”! They need consent for the full duration of the act.

I take the declaration of asexuality about as seriously as I take Rachel's other assertations, honestly.

It’s as true as I’m sitting here riding a bike... as my mum used to say.

Perhaps McKinnon's asexuality is the result of surgery.

(assuming it exists at all)

I still can’t get my head around what sort of Mickey Mouse university would employ such an idiot. Did they not meet McKinnon beforehand?

I would also like someone to tweet Alistair Magowan of the BBC, who decided McKinnon was worthy of an article last year and ask him if he thinks McKinnon is a good person to be associated with.

I’m away at the moment with rubbish WiFi so I can’t find it, but there’s an old blog (possibly found by the farmers?) where RM says that the the sex RM and RM’s wife had during their marriage was basically rape. (ie RM was being raped). No real rationale is given for this, from what I remember.

Which as ungenerous ways to treat a trans widow go, just about takes the biscuit.

If the asexuality is real then clearly someone who isn't turned on by specific bodies doesn't really get a say. However, RM likes to take a controversial stance and defend it to the hilt because being a professor of philosophy means you have to do that, apparently. The fact that RM gets great pleasure from bullying and arguing has nothing to do with it at all, I'm sure.

McKinnon might well be a troll, they sure seem to love the attention. But this sort of thinking has infiltrated. For example, from a student union:

"For example, if you would date women but never a trans woman (or men but never a trans man), or would date men and women but not non-binary people, this is because you have internalised cissexism and transmisogyny. (The solution is not for you to go out and date a trans person to prove this isn’t true – the solution is to start working on combating these things within yourself.)"

Not quite as blatant as McKinnon telling people to get used to dick, but the same message ultimately. That you should "work on yourself" if you're not attracted to trans people. Most men won't give a shit about this sort of thing, but it is far more likely that it is the young lesbians who will feel the responsibility to be open to dating transwomen. (Particularly as this propaganda is coming from the LGBT campaign.)

These screenshots from that thread are really upsetting.

Yes, they are. Basically asking for tips on domestic abuse there. Lovely.

So are all straight people homophobic? And all gay people heterophobic?

I've never heard anyone with a crush on someone of the opposite sexuality complain the object of their affection is a genital fetishist. "What a waste" and "I wish they were gay/straight" is as far as it goes.
Where does the entitlement come from? And why are they so pushy with their rapey views?

Well, I'd date men or women, but not transwomen or transmen. Don't like it? Too bad, because you don't get a say.

(Just in case anyone was thinking of going "oh well they can date bisexual people then" - nope, we're not the backup plan, most of us aren't interested in dating people who follow a bizarre religion and often attempt to alter their secondary sexual characteristics either.)

I've met gay men who I thought were gorgeous, and straight women too. You know what I did? I got over it and moved on, because I respect other people's boundaries.

The general public have, largely accepted, that sexual orientation is something where one is just 'born this way'.

And now, all the organisations who have campaigned for decades are saying, nah, not really, only joking, it's all just a choice, haha got ya.

Just in case anyone was thinking of going "oh well they can date bisexual people then" - nope, we're not the backup plan, most of us aren't interested in dating people who follow a bizarre religion and often attempt to alter their secondary sexual characteristics either.)

Yes I think they need to realise that they have significantly reduced their dating pool as the below study found. But there are surely lots of other trans people they can date who also don't believe in genital preferences, no?

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/inclusive-insight/201906/are-trans-people-excluded-the-world-dating

Looking more closely at the patterns of responses, it also became clear that individuals were least likely to express an interest in dating trans women, even if their sexual identity would otherwise indicate an interest in women. Indeed, nearly 20% fewer people indicated an interest in trans women than would have been expected based on the sexual identities of the individuals within the sample.

Guessing this is lesbians, bisexuals of both sexes, and straight men.

If it was only 20% fewer then I suspect a lot of people weren't being honest.