I've just been called a TERF...

[OhCharlieYouPrick]

On Facebook.

Local Facebook page, a man posts a discussion about Prolife protesters outside abortion clinics. A picture of himself with a sign saying 'screw these guys', pointing to the Prolifers.

He then proceeds to lecture women thinking about counter protesting, saying sometimes it makes the situation worse (yet he posts a photo of himself clearly antagonising the prolifers at a previous protest )

I point out to people thinking about counter protesting, with a particular group who are mentioned, that the prochoice group hold certain views about gender that conflict with my own.
That they believe the word woman should not be used on placards as 'people of all genders use abortion services'
Obviously it's just women that use abortion services.

So a sign stating 'A woman's womb is no ones business but her own' would not be allowed. It would have to say 'A person's womb is no ones business but their own'

Anyway. I was blocked by the OP.

This below was the reason.

Funnily enough, before he blocked me I received around a DOZEN likes from Women agreeing with what I said. They also believe that the word woman is Not dirty and should be a use able word in relation to abortion services.

Yet this man think he knows better than them and me.

He blocked me again before I could reply.

Argh.

It's a bit early in the day for Americans to be so excited, isn't it?

@Karkasaurus

Oh no, so trans people can't come into the bathroom. But you're sure they're lovely people, right?

Did I miss a post? Who said that?

Any ideas why these lovely, harmless people can't come in the bathroom then? Is it their evil Y chromosome?

I think some people find it entertaining to argue with themselves, Shmithecat2. Seems like a strange hobby but who am I to judge?

Yes, no kinkshaming!

@TheProdigalKittensReturn making stuff up is just as bad as having no argument in the first place, it's quite tiresome.

Karkasaurus nobody is saying they aren’t lovely. They are saying that in 9 cases out of 10, they are visibly male. Everyone agrees that men shouldn’t go in the women’s toilets. That doesn’t mean they aren’t lovely. It’s not even because they might attack women (though a small number might). It’s because due to privacy and dignity, we tend to separate the sexes for toilets and getting changed. A transwoman might feel female but (other than in a small number of cases), will retain a male appearance. I don’t speak to people I share a public toilet with so to me and many other women, we cannot tell someone’s gender identity so it’s the same to us as if it was a non-trans man.

If that is bigoted, I presume it’s equally bigoted to not want to share with non-trans men and absolutely everything should be unisex, right?

Sure, let's go by your made up statistics. If men are so dangerous, why is it OK for the ten percent of trans women who do pass to share a bathroom with the men? What about their safety?

Non sequitur.

That's the phrase I was looking for.

If you don't understand why single sex facilities exist, maybe it's unwise to try to remove them. Chesterton's Fence...

Random people of any sex can't come in my bathroom, on account of it being in my house. If there are public conveniences which include bathtubs then I'm assuming they're intended to be used by one person t a time.

This has been your pedantic British moment for the day.

@OhCharlieYouPrick I was also called a TERF for the first time recently, after expressing my sadness at the passing of Magdalen Berns. It's the best someone can do, to throw what they think is an insult (not that TERF is afaic) when they have no better response.

Karka not really about danger. It’s about privacy and dignity. I am pretty sure my male colleagues won’t attack me but are you saying i should share a changing room and toilet with them if they told me they felt female? Why would how they feel make a difference to me when they are still very visibly male?

And what about the ones who are not visibly male? What happens to them in your grand solution?

Also, I tend to go to the toilet and shower alone, even in my own house. Personally I have no problem using a unisex toilet if it is single occupancy, eg in a restaurant or cafe. I wouldn’t want to share a room with cubicles though as it doesn’t feel as safe. However, if I go to the gym and take a shower afterwards, I prefer it to be single sex. Obviously. Same as if my dad or brother were over, I wouldn’t get changed in front of them but would have no issues doing so in front of my mum or sister. It’s not exactly abnormal to want single sex facilities.

It does leave quite a few people with a sticky wicket though, doesn't it? If you won't let them in the ladies and it's apparently so dangerous to be alone with a man in the gents?

Karka if they pass for female then I personally have no issue with sharing facilities with them because I wouldn’t know that they were male. But are you honestly saying that it’s okay for me not to want to share a changing room with my male line manager now but if he told me tomorrow that he feels like he has a female gender identity, it would be okay? What has changed from my perspective?

Your argument would only hold water if you said it is also bigoted to not want to share facilities with men who are not trans.

And what about the ones who are not visibly male? What happens to them in your grand solution?

Promote the idea of alternate provision which doesn't impinge on women, is an idea which is suggested frequently.

As you'd know if you'd read any of the many threads on that. Which this thread wasn't, till you changed the points on the track.

Karka third fucking spaces. That way you would be catering to non binary people too rather than ignoring them in favour of TW. And if you mention the word apartheid, like most of your buddies do, may I remind you that it’s not an appropriate word for a middle class woke westerner to use about their own experience of refusing to give women the privacy and dignity to get changed in single-sex spaces. And that using it in this context smacks of privilege and racism.

But this whole movement reeks of white middle class privilege anyway. I don’t think many girls born in sub-Saharan Africa can identity out of FGM, rape, period-shaming, forced marriage. Equally with so many of the working classes across the world, many living in poverty. A blue-haired, privately educated knob with a masters from SOAS though? Women wanting single sex toilets is literally the most violent thing ever.

It does leave quite a few people with a sticky wicket though, doesn't it? If you won't let them in the ladies and it's apparently so dangerous to be alone with a man in the gents?

It doesn't leave me on a sticky wicket. It's not women's responsibility to act as human shields for males. Gay men, disabled men, elderly men also vulnerable, no one is suggesting they should come in with women. Because that would be ridiculous.

Didn't take long for that aggression to ramp up, did it?

Oh who are my buddies? I haven't met them. Perhaps you can point them out for me.

I'm quite happy to take that on as my responsibility.

Didn't take long for that aggression to ramp up, did it?

Never does.