I've just been called a TERF...

[OhCharlieYouPrick]

On Facebook.

Local Facebook page, a man posts a discussion about Prolife protesters outside abortion clinics. A picture of himself with a sign saying 'screw these guys', pointing to the Prolifers.

He then proceeds to lecture women thinking about counter protesting, saying sometimes it makes the situation worse (yet he posts a photo of himself clearly antagonising the prolifers at a previous protest )

I point out to people thinking about counter protesting, with a particular group who are mentioned, that the prochoice group hold certain views about gender that conflict with my own.
That they believe the word woman should not be used on placards as 'people of all genders use abortion services'
Obviously it's just women that use abortion services.

So a sign stating 'A woman's womb is no ones business but her own' would not be allowed. It would have to say 'A person's womb is no ones business but their own'

Anyway. I was blocked by the OP.

This below was the reason.

Funnily enough, before he blocked me I received around a DOZEN likes from Women agreeing with what I said. They also believe that the word woman is Not dirty and should be a use able word in relation to abortion services.

Yet this man think he knows better than them and me.

He blocked me again before I could reply.

Argh.

Exactly what Ershkigal said. Gay-bashing used to be a big problem (much bigger than today) and often gay men were attacked in public toilets. Did anyone suggest they should use the women’s toilets instead? Did they fuck. Seriously, do you not realise how idiotic your arguments sound?

I'm quite happy to take that on as my responsibility.

You can do that in your third space. You don't have the right to impose it on mine.

Why would a gay man want to use the women's toilet?

That's nice, dear. I meanwhile decline the invitation to be an unwilling human shield.

Your buddies are the other members of the SJW movement. I have heard Rachel McKinnon (possibly one of the most unpleasant humans I have encountered) use the word apartheid numerous times. Your buddies are the gang of people physically attacking women wanting to attend a meeting. Your buddies include the intellectually deficient idiot who tried to bully a Bristol PhD student out of her post. Those are the people I am referring to.

Karka umm because as with trans women (according to you), he is not safe from men in the men’s toilet. Engage your brain a little. You were using safety as an argument for why transwomen must use the women’s toilets.

How frightfully nice for me to be friends with people I've never heard of. What an unexpected treat of a Sunday!

You've never heard of Rachel McKinnon? You're in for a treat.

No, I don't know them. Is this a Twitter thing?

Karka I don’t wish to be disparaging but you don’t have the intellect for this debate. You can back up none of your points with anything other than ‘you’re mean’.

If you genuinely want to help trans people, campaign for third spaces. Spend your energy on that rather than telling women what they should think.

If the argument is that transwomen should be allowed into women's toilets because they are safer, then other groups who are at higher risk, such as gay men and the elderly should be allowed in on the same basis. Reductio ad absurdum, if anyone can enter women's toilets, then they are no longer safer.

If the argument is instead that transwomen should be allowed into women's toilets because they identify as women and would feel uncomfortable without the validation of their adopted gender, then this need for validation should be weighed against both the feelings of discomfort of the natal women whose space they are entering, and, since transwomen retain male patterns of criminal behaviour, the increased risk to women of them entering those spaces. It is absolutely wrong to pretend there is no conflict of interest under this interpretation.

Oh come on. How can you not have head of the cyclist if you have such an interest in the topic? Don’t you know who they are? The one who had a spat with Martina Navratilova (that’s a very famous lesbian tennis player for those too young to remember).

I don't go on Twitter. I think it's ghastly. And I have much better things to do than embroil myself with one or the other side of extremism, which is all Twitter seems to support.

Kark, what is it about this rapist that would make you, and anyone, think he is a woman?

I mean, there must be something, bearing in mind he was put into a female prison.

What was that thing that made people decide that it would be a safe thing to do? I can't see it, maybe you can.

I simply don't agree with persecuting trans people over their supposed predisposed criminality. I think it's all rather spiteful and unpleasant.

So where do you get information from?

Course she’s heard of McKinnon. Such a crock of shite. Anyway, makes no difference whether you have or not. I am talking about your ilk, whether or not you are personally acquainted.

It's this crazy thing called being friends with trans people in real life. It's quite astonishing. You should try it

No, I haven't heard of this person.

I think ignoring or dismissing the privacy and dignity and comfort of women and girls, as well as making them less safe, to prop up a toxic, sexist ideology is rather spiteful and unpleasant so I guess that is a bit of an impasse.

I don't agree that they are less safe.

Then we disagree. Excellent.

Karka are you thick? Nobody is persecuting anyone. Saying that someone has to use a separate bathroom is not persecution. If it were, it would be equal persecution to say non trans men cannot use women’s bathrooms either.

And we have explained that it’s not about criminality any more than not allowing non trans men in. Some of them are criminal but most are not. It’s about privacy and dignity and someone else’s identity (which doesn’t match their physical appearance) makes no odds.

Karka none of the many men I work with are criminals. I have never felt threatened by them. Yet we don’t share bathrooms or changing facilities. I wonder why that is.

If men are so dangerous, why is it OK for the ten percent of trans women who do pass to share a bathroom with the men? What about their safety? Why is that on women to accomadate them and not men? Surely the solution is to make mens toilets safer no? Educate men that violence against others is unacceptable. Go spout your shite to them.