Person in women's shelter boasts about spirting erection, shelter supports 'her'

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I posted this on the This Never Happens thread, but it's so horrible I think it deserves its own thread.

Canada of course.

Trans women posts about wandering around naked with an erection in a women's shelter(even providing the address of the shelter). They also appear to have mental health issues. Concerned women tweet the shelter. The shelter responds by asking people not to 'spread harmful mistruths' about trans people.

A women's shelter actually putting vulnerable women in danger. This is how far things have gone in Canada.

Please retweet. Women in one of the most unsafe neighbourhoods in Canada are forced to bunk up with an obvious predator. He gets amusement from exposing his male body to vulnerable women. Self ID hurts women. #dtes #vancouver @VancouverPD @VanRapeRelief #gendercritical t.co/GCJCAkGL8Z
by MNHQ to remove the Tweet containing the address of a women's shelter

I was a stoner for several years. One of the reasons I stopped was that cannabis suddenly got much much stronger and although most people were fine there was a significant minority for whom it exacerbated mental health problems (including some not previously known about) and made them dangerous individuals, either to themselves or others. This would be apparent both when high and when sober.

Weed used to be fun and i would have said to any parent not to worry if your kid is doing it, provided that's all they are doing. I wouldn't now.

This is off subject, to get back on again: i am shocked but not surprised by this latest situation. RIP women's rights on Canada.

I have several friends who have been mental health nurses. They all attest to the dangers of cannabis directly linked to psychosis and schizophrenia. It is not harmless.

I never said it was harmless or benign just less impactful than other substances. Self-diagnosing is really dangerous and

self-prescribing is really dangerous in the arena of serious health issues.

And 100% agreed, when there is a history of psychosis it can be detrimental. My family is full of medical practitioners (including a Dr. that specifically deals with substance abuse treatment) and the prevailing perspective ('round here) is that cannabis as a rule is safer than methodone et al for treating withdrawal fallout.

BUT if there is no family history of mental illness and no individual history of mental illness Cannabis can be a safe alternative. I mean Cannabis is demonstrably less harmfull than tobacco (as a rule) when not taken in through the lungs.

The strength these days has been intensified and those exploring the waters need guidance as with any substance (alcohol, how much is too much? supplements, how much is too much? etc).

Nothing is always safe - dairy allergy just killed a kid eating a chicken sandwich. People are dropping left and right here in the states from tobacco vape products. People are presenting with heart problems from drinking energy drinks. Schools don't allow any nuts in kids or teacher snacks/lunches. Nothing is harmless or benign I mean you can drink too much water and cause brain swelling and ultimately death.

I look at these things from a pragmatic perspective. Legalizing marijuana mitigates black market sales that could contain unregulated contaminates by law-enforced testing and oversight.

And for me, my ancestry, it is a spiritual accoutrement to meditation and gathering of individuals for conflict resolution. Personally marijuana saved me from living on a steady supply of narcotics for chronic jaw pain (post surgical), endometriosis, and ADHD (Adderall no more!)... no other substance allows me to be a well and productive individual without moving through my days feeling sick or experiencing debilitating pain. I don't have to wear a mask of comfort to navigate the world as a small dose lessens (doesn't remove) the impact of my physical discomforts so I actually feel comfortable and less vulnerable as well as more alert as I can compartmentalize the pain in a way impossible when dependant on narcotics.

Yeah sorry for derail.

Women's rape centers/shelters should not include anyone that has ever had a penis. Full stop.

CarolDanvers I live in Vancouver and am shocked and appalled at what you experienced. I have lived here basically all my life and nothing like that has happened to me and my family.

I don't know where you were staying, but it almost sounds like the Downtown Eastside. Yes, it is a problem area. It has been as long as I remember. It is partly our climate which is warmer than the rest of Canada, and partly a lot of other things including tolerance of the behavior there and availability of services. As a City we have been putting resources into the area but a solution seems out of reach.

I frankly don't believe you saw a lot of homeless people all the way from the airport. Like any city we have homelessness, linked often to mental health. But we do make huge efforts with shelters etc.

I get asked for spare change etc. once in awhile, but no more than anywhere else I have been in the world.

Vancouver has diverse population and by far the vast majority do not behave as you describe. We welcome visitors and we get many. Our city benefits from natural beauty and a vibrant lifestyle.

I am sorry that happened to you.

As far as marijuana goes, it was the federal government that legalized it. I was not a fan of that decision. But I have not seen anything different. Certainly not huge numbers of people taking it in public. No more than I have seen in the UK. Our smoking laws are quite comprehensive so smoking in most public places is not allowed.

I frankly don't believe you saw a lot of homeless people all the way from the airport. Like any city we have homelessness, linked often to mental health. But we do make huge efforts with shelters etc.

I don't actually care if some random on MN believes me or not tbh . I know what I saw and experienced. I have no reason whatsoever to make it up. At 9 pm at night I saw homeless people lying on the pavement and numerous people who were obviously under the influence. Near Waterfront Station there was a man asleep in the middle of the pavement at 8 am in the morning who was still there four hours later and I actually stopped to check he was breathing as he didn't seem to have moved. Had I seen it once it wouldn't have been worthy of notice but 4-5 times on our journey from the airport to the hotel and it was noticeable. Not to mention the five separate incidents I could describe to you though two of them resulted in physical contact including a deliberate elbow in the head for my son from a passing cyclist. And we stayed on Robson, up near the park. Had no issues at all there. All the problems were in the centre, near china town/Gas Town and streets leading off Waterfront. Sorry that your city isn't as on it with regards to homelessness and drug use as it should be. Neither is mine - London - but at least no one is pretending it is. Maybe open your eyes a bit next time you're out and about in those areas. It's easy to become complacent when your city keeps being represented as an aspirational idyllic and wonderfully inclusive place to be.

I am not suggesting you are making anything up. Waterfront Station probably did have homeless. The entire area down around the Downtown Eastside can be an issue. Believe me, my eyes are open. In fact, we often take visitors there to show them what it is like. Because it upsets and concerns us.

Yes, we could do better but I don't know how. It is a constant issue for Vancouverites. How do we solve homelessness? How can we improve the issues with drug abuse? This city has been ground breaking in these areas, for example, opening a safe injection site. Harm reduction is a major topic. These problems defy easy solutions and millions of dollars.

I realize I am just "some random on the internet" but I do care that you and your family had a bad experience. I care a lot.

Thinking further it sounds like you took the Canada Line from the airport. I don't know what time of day it was but it does seem likely you could run into some rougher people. I wouldn't see that as I don't use transit at night. But I have over my life seen some pretty intoxicated people on transit (in London too).

So so sad. Again, I am sorry my city disappointed you. I find it far from idyllic, often, but it is my home and I miss it when I am away.

A women's shelter that is neither just for women, nor a shelter.
Unfit for purpose.

I am not suggesting you are making anything up

"I frankly don't believe you saw a lot of homeless people all the way from the airport."

Sure sounds like you are 🤷‍♀️

Anyway. I wasn't disappointed by your city. Not at all. But I was frightened there at times and so were my children and I didn't expect to be given how it is represented. As I say I live in London and not in a particularly nice area so am used to city life, The funny thing is I have a Canadian ex boyfriend who I was talking to while there. He's in Manitoba but travels all over - retired professional sportsman. I described all this to him and he laughed and said it sounded about right.

I did enjoy Indigo on Granville Street though. Probs best book shop I have ever been in. Restless children prevented me from spending as much time as I would have liked in there (all day!)

Enough derailing anyway.

Ffs!

Well, I pictured a completely different trip from the airport which would not have had the same issue. My mistake. It was a communication derail.

One of the reasons Vancouver has such an issue with homelessness is people trouble from across the country tend to end up there. The winters are milder than many other Canadian cities.

The cannabis thing, I was fairly positive about the idea of decriminalisation, a little less so about legalisation but I didn't expect any real issues. I have been surprised and not at all happy about what I have seen so far. A lot more open smoking, whether that represents more people doing it I am not sure. But also a lot of promotion, advertising, and a huge up-tick in bogus health claims. There are a lot of people who are now assuming that it must be benign, they have no real sense of the health risks or issues around mental health.

It is all so depressing

The trip from the airport is of no consequence at all, and merits no more discussion.

The problem is a boastful, dangerous, narcissist male in a space that should be a refuge for women.

And cannabis is fuck-all to do with this, either.

The issue is males colonising women's spaces.

This guy is legitimately mentally ill and needs help, but I don't think a woman's shelter is the place for it. He was violent, because of his bipolar. He's probably homeless because he refuses to take his meds faithfully. I've read a couple papers where bipolars during manic episodes had "gender dysphoria" as part of their hypersexuality symptoms. At least one paper
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5136748/

where meds cured gender dysphoria in a bipolar patient. That's my way of saying I doubt this guy is even trans. Instead of taking the time to properly treat his real mental illness and get him taking the right anti-psychotics (dubiously covered, and you need to jump through a lot more hoops to get them), they exacerbate his symptoms by giving him free hormones and surgery (which are covered with zero gatekeeping). He's a walking failure of bad govt policy.

It’s not what most would consider a shelter and think many would feel safer on the streets than share with this person. At least you’d expect a passing bystander to call the police if something happened rather than try to cover it up. I wouldn’t want to share space with this person as a man. They look extremely dangerous full stop and me being physically stronger than most women would only protect me marginally more and not prevent them stabbing me in my sleep after inadvertently offending them

I've spent some time in Vancouver and am familiar with the Downtown Eastside area.

DWEC, what the actual FUCK are you doing? You've put a mentally ill INTACT MAN, a person WITH A PENIS in with a group of women who are at risk for many reasons. What is fucking wrong with you? That's not meant as a rhetorical question but that I want to know what made you think that in this world such a thing is accptable?

Canada has a similarly ideology schizophrenic liberal approach in that they’re very pro immigration and tie themselves in knots over Islam whilst simultaneously appearing to desperately wanting to be seen as the most pro LGB and T country on earth.

London has massively dropped down the rankings of gay friendly UK cities when normally you expect the mega cities to be the most tolerant. In order to not be just an Islam basher these phenomenas have also occurred in areas with a high amount of immigration from Eastern Europe who sorry (and generalisations don’t mean everyone from x y z is) have more significant hostility to such people.

It will all end in tears but no doubt It will be the far right English white people who will get the most of the blame

After all it’s the TERF women on here’s fault for transgender women of colour being murdered in the US. Not the men of colour mainly doing it

They will lose their funding if they protect the women.

Clearly they don’t care that this male is sexually harassing women and exposing himself.

They are counting on all the women being too vulnerable to complain if this person rapes them.

They need to say NO, lose their funding and rely on public support as VRR does.

He hasn't had any surgery SetYourselfOnFire - you can see that from the photos he has posted of himself, naked with an erection.

She is held to the same standards as others in ensuring the space is safe for women.

Is [third-person-singular] bollocks. The other women wouldn't dream of wandering around naked in a state of obvious sexual arousal, would they? Because they instinctively understand that they're all having a hard enough time as it is, and that the space is safer for everyone if no one has to safely manage other people's sexually-explicit behaviour.

The individual isn't being "held to the same standards", because the individual isn't conforming to the standards that the other women are continually collectively setting for themselves and one another.

Oh, dammit, linguistic rohypnol rearing its ugly head.

I've used the phrase "other women" twice and someone's going to call me on it. Whack a hyphen in, please. The other-women, the women who are the 'other' to the obnoxious subject of the thread.

(We really need to stop letting the fact that it's associated with PUAs put us off from exploiting the resource that is our human understanding of neurolinguistic programming. NLP is how male-dominance is maintained; it's what takes over so the bodily advantages only rarely need to be exercised. It's also how you socialise your kids.)

Is [third-person-singular] bollocks. The other women wouldn't dream of wandering around naked in a state of obvious sexual arousal, would they? Because they instinctively understand that they're all having a hard enough time as it is, and that the space is safer for everyone if no one has to safely manage other people's sexually-explicit behaviour.

And because outside of severe mental distress or disability, women just don't do that.

The female socialisation given away in the staff's response of 'we know Tyler well' says so much: I very much doubt a woman behaving in this way would elicit the same protective response. By this person being present, this refuge has become a mixed sex provision, and it is prioritising the needs of the male clients over the female clients.

Which always happens, and is in essence why females need female only spaces. Sexism, inequity, female socialisation, and a society where people with penises are always more important regardless of how they choose to identify.