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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"

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Igneococcus · 14/09/2019 20:42

In the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5?shareToken=3bbd28acf03ed3d2916e912216677322

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/09/2019 10:48

Times article has comments.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 15/09/2019 10:49

There appears to have been one Women’s group that has allowed themselves (unintentionally) to be used to allow ERHC to claim they have consulted feminist groups. They got really upset when the Scottish draft guidelines were leaked: claiming it made them suspects and would stop what is supposedly a neutral government organisation from listening to people with a protected characteristic (women). Of course that in itself would be scandalous, but in actual fact the EHRC were only playing lipservice to them in the first place.

stillathing · 15/09/2019 10:52

One tiny positive about this leak is that it gives a concrete example to show people who are clueless about what is happening. I find talking to people IRL quite overwhelming sometimes because this issue touches on so many very personal things. A lot of people I've spoken to have been sympathetic but can't believe the madness will extend too far before being forgotten for another fad.

This is an example of quite how far the government are prepared to go to please the trans lobby and it is quite explicit whose dignity, privacy and safety they are willing to sacrifice. The only people who could read this and not see the huge problems are those with malicious intent or those who have been entirely brainwashed.

ImGenderfree · 15/09/2019 11:40

GColdtimer

Thank you for the resources, i’m going to write to my MP and other parties in my constituency and the EHRC. I’ve already raised the question at school about the PHSCE guidance in schools. The school are currently revising it so I’ll be interested in what they come up with especially after the BBC resources.

I think that we need to keep raising the issues and challenging them so they can see the depth of feeling and have to respond to our questions. The more people that do that the harder it is to brush off. Thank you at SSA.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 15/09/2019 12:14

No consent - is this Safe Schools Alliance?

GColdtimer · 15/09/2019 13:26

@AlwaysTawnyOwl no not SSAUK but we know who they are and could probably facilitate introductions if anyone wants to join them.

skql · 15/09/2019 13:45

is this applied to religious schools too?

JellySlice · 15/09/2019 14:14

From today's article:

"the transgender lobby group Mermaids"

Not that long ago they would have said 'the transgender charity Mermaids'

HeadintheiClouds · 15/09/2019 14:24

Well that’s a teeny tiny positive, isn’t it?

GColdtimer · 15/09/2019 16:48

There are a few other things you can do. If you could write a quick 2-liners thanking the Times for the article and featuring us SSAUK we would appreciate it.

[email protected]

You could also send letters for publication backing up our points and calling for public consultation

[email protected]

Thank you.

[email protected]

miri1985 · 15/09/2019 17:16

What on earth does this mean for single sex schools where something like sex education is only geared at one sex?

Is having your school name "school for girls" now discriminatory if a pupil transitions or questions their gender identity

I went to an all girls school, we were frequently referred to as girls by our teachers, there was no boys toilet, there was no boys sports teams etc.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/09/2019 17:22

skql
This would apply to all schools. A school that ignored EHRC guidelines without good reason would be in real difficulty. That's why it's so catastrophic that the EHRC have been regulatory captured by trans lobby groups - the safeguarding and welfare of children is of no interest to them. Thus these draft guidelines that pay no attention to the rights and safety of any child other than a "trans child".

HeadintheiClouds · 15/09/2019 17:51

Of all the entities that should be utterly impartial, we have the Equalities commission decreeing that a tiny, tiny but vocal minority are not simply not discriminated against, but are elevated way above every other group, minority or otherwise.
Defying the very definition of the word.
How is this happening and why isn’t it triggering a fucking revolution??

Birdsfoottrefoil · 15/09/2019 18:00

Complain to EHRC, and when you get a non-reply back escalate to the public sector ombudsman

Birdsfoottrefoil · 15/09/2019 18:01

Parliamentary and health service ombudsman

Wurzelsnewhead · 15/09/2019 18:06

How is this happening and why isn’t it triggering a fucking revolution?
Boiling frog. Did you see those photos of kids at Pride, petting ‘dogs’ in bondage gear, holding massive furry cocks of blokes dressed as pups, whilst parents look on; proud of their right on, woke credentials.
Society needs a kick up the arse before we’re well and truly down the rabbit hole.

RubyViolet · 15/09/2019 18:45

So important to hear this (17 mins)
m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ATNRbJW_JI8

NotAtMyAge · 15/09/2019 18:47

The comments under the Times article show that the Times-reading public isn't having any of this. This one made me smile, which in the midst of this sorry mess, is quite an achievement.

It should be simple enough to start a campaign encouraging girls to insist on access to private changing rooms. Assuming 30 girls need access for a single games lesson, that's quite a building project to be rolled out across all schools. I assume the EHRC will provide the necessary funds.

Sanddancer99 · 15/09/2019 20:18

I’ve been taking a keen interest EHRC as I have over 25 years experience as a government regulator, including writing regulatory guidance. Although my experience is in a different regulatory field, the principles of good regulation apply to all regulators. My comments below are therefore from the point of view of a regulator.
The blatant bias in the draft EHRC guidance for schools is shocking. It’s hard to believe that any responsible regulator could come up with something like this. The guidance is a clear attempt to introduce self-ID by the backdoor and to dismantle the rights of women and girls to dignity, safety and privacy, enshrined in the Equality Act and its Statutory Code of Practice. It also makes a mockery of the government assurances to women that the EA exceptions will be maintained.

If EHRC get away with this, they will introduce this across the board. Remember that the appalling trans policies of both Girl Guiding and the Youth Hostel Association have EHRC endorsement (apparently). We also know from the Mermaids data breach that EHRC have been colluding with Mermaids for test cases against schools, etc. These test cases, using public money, certainly won’t be to uphold the rights of women and girls, but to challenge them.
EHRC have lost sight of their regulatory duty, which is to regulate on behalf of the public overall (over half of which are women and girls) and not on behalf of pressure groups. On the trans issue, EHRC are clearly not an even-handed and impartial regulator. They are implementing a hierarchy of rights (with women and girls at the bottom). They are behaving like a trans lobby group, not a regulator. This is a clear example of regulatory capture, and an abuse of regulatory powers.
The leaked guidance is apparently at an advanced stage and will soon be implemented. There has clearly been totally inadequate consultation on this guidance, a matter of major public interest which will impact every girl in the country. EHRC are trying to drive these fundamental changes through under the radar without proper public scrutiny, accountability, or transparency. They are therefore in gross breach of the Statutory Principles of Good Regulation, the Regulators’ Code, and the Seven Principles of Public Life (Nolan Principles).
The only to stop EHRC abusing their powers in this way is to shame them publicly. As many people as possible need to write to EHRC, their MP, and to Liz Truss. The government has ultimate responsibility for allowing this to happen so they need to be shamed as well.
In all my years as a regulator, I cannot think of another example of when a regulator has behaved so appallingly.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/09/2019 20:23

Thank you Sanddancer99 . That's a really helpful post and will be the basis of my letter to my MP.

Mummyoflittledragon · 15/09/2019 20:29

Sanddancer

Thank you for that inciteful post. I will use this information when I contact the people you’ve advised.

Wurzelsnewhead · 15/09/2019 20:32

Thanks Sanddancer and GColdtimer, will be following up your leads.
This needs pushback at a grassroots level, we can’t rely on authorities to act appropriately whilst they are transfixed by the trans lobby.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 15/09/2019 20:41

I've just drafted my letter to my MP. We really need to be on this one.

RubyViolet · 15/09/2019 21:40

Thank you Sanddancer and GColdtimer !

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 15/09/2019 22:01

Read the Sunday times article - even more sinister in black and white.