"Girls must bow to trans rights in new rules for schools"

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In the Times:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/girls-must-bow-to-trans-rights-in-new-rules-for-schools-xxs8t5mn5?shareToken=3bbd28acf03ed3d2916e912216677322

And deny the truth of what they can see

I do think if mothers withdrew their free labour from schools it would have a serious impact.

'White feminism'

Yawn.

They're virtually all white the AWAs. Rich white men.

FOTTOSOF with that shit.

And we should stop pretending and telling kids that they can change sex

It’s th3 truth they can’t. Enough with the lies

im not at a loss for evidence

You are based on what you posted. That article recounts the negative experiences of one individual, a convicted, violent felon at that who furthermore worked in prostituition, a profession which brings with it much higher risks of violence.

The writer links to a survey of self-reported incidents detailing discrimination and harassment but very little actual data on violence (which to be fair was not the purpose of the survey).

The writer further links to an unsubstantiated claim regarding the average life expectancy of males who identify as trans living in the US. That is based on such terrible maths and illogical thinking that it ought to be ignored, but as you seem quite distressed by it, I will endeavour to reassure you.

The Inter-American Commission on Human Rights simply states in its report that it has received information that the average life expectancy of males who identify as trans in the Americas lies between 30 and 35.

This seems to be solely based on the IACHR drawing an erroneous conclusion from the fact that a reported 80% of trans persons killed is aged 35 and under.

The vast majority of murder victims in the group of males who identify as trans in the Americas are those working in prostitution in Brazil and Argentina. (Incidentally, even in Brazil a male trans persons risk of being murdered is lower than that of all other males, lower than that of the general population and on a par with the risk of female Brazilians.)

Now back to the life expectancy claim. I will refer you to what I posted the last time this came up:

This claim is based on bad maths. Or bad faith. Or both.

That the average age of a murder victim belonging to a particular group is 35, does not mean that the average life expectancy of that group is then lowered to 35.

You can tell from all these articles that this is what they've done, because every single one using that stat then refers to the average age of a murder victim (if they explain it at all).

And all you need to suggest just how wrong this stat is, is knowledge about onset. While homosexual transsexuals transition early, on average in their early to mid twenties, non-homosexual transsexuals (aka late-onset aka AGP) transition in their mid forties to mid fifties. There are many, many more late-onset TS than early-onset ones. It is statistically therefore almost impossible for the life expectancy of the entire group of males identifying as trans to be 35.

Late-onset transsexuals are unlikely to be in prostitution, which is of course dangerous whether you're male or female.

I do think if mothers withdrew their free labour from schools it would have a serious impact.

I know it would. Schools (particularly primary) rely on it. Fundraising, voluntary reading, volunteering on school trips, swimming etc. Women provide a lot of free labour to schools and this alone can be powerful.

My dd has just started secondary. She is already prepped on the subject. Idk if I should tell her about this change. She could freak even if nothing happens. What really pisses me off is the schools will just implement this and not inform the other parents a penis is in the girls changing rooms or vis versa.

Most of the time the rule are written so that both males and females who identify as transgender can use the Female loo and changing room.
Public toilets are doing the same thing, designating one for men and the former women's loo is now mixed sex.

Yes, this:

We need to have a philosophy in education where everyone is free to explore who they are, and carry out the necessary measures to do so. But no one else is to feel uncomfortable or at risk due to these explorations.

But what does that even mean explore who they are

What’s with the lies ?
You can’t change your sex. Stop peddling lies to kids

It is so jaw-dropping that this is where we are:

Male children should NEVER be forced to get changed in front of male children.

Therefore female children must ALWAYS be forced to get changed in front of male children.

Male children should be able to decide if they want to use either single-sex or opposite-sex changing facilities. There are two choices available to them, which is right and proper.

Female children should always be forced into opposite-sex changing facilities. There are no choices available to them, which is right and proper.

This is 2019.

Why does exploring who you are always start (and end, it seems) with bathrooms? You are where you piss?

Two older boys sexually assaulted me in a mixed school changing room. I was eight and I continue to suffer the psychological consequences, including self-harm, depression, fear of biological males, and suicide attempts. I never want another little girl to go through that.

Had I known that children over eight were meant to keep out of mixed changing rooms, I might have screamed, fled, or fought back. Not sat wrestling with a broken shoe lace whilst they walked up to me and surrounded me. I wish I had known my rights.

I demand that the right to single-sex changing rooms and toilets at schools be extended to children of all ages, not just those over eight. I demand that girls be taught that no boy is allowed in the girls loos and changing rooms and be taught that they have the right to challenge and defend their spaces.

When girls are taught that they must accept boys who claim to be girls into their spaces, they are taught not to challenge boys "because they might be trans". They are taught not to defend their spaces because "it's transphobic" to do so. This makes it easier for boys and men to enter girls' spaces unchallenged. It makes it easier for boys and men to sexually assault girls. It increases the number of girls and women suffering the life-long psychological sequelae of male entitlement.

Let the trans child have the private changing room. This respects their desire not to be treated like the other children of their own sex whilst respecting the right to single-sex spaces of the children of the opposite sex. Most gender dysphoric people don't want people of either sex to see their pre-transition bodies anyway.

bd67 so sorry that happened to you.

And other kids shouldn’t be coerced into going along with it

It’s like telling kids. Ok some kid here believes the earth is flat.
so we all have to pretend we believe it otherwise we will be hurting the flat earth believers kids

As there been a falling out of brains when they wrote that draft

Teachers are warned they would break the law if they failed to call transgender pupils by their new names and pronouns.
What law??
There needs to be an urgent review of the EHRC's fitness for purpose

Most gender dysphoric people don't want people of either sex to see their pre-transition bodies anyway

The very ones who insist on openly and publically changing/showering etc in the changing rooms of the opposite sex are the very ones that shouldnt be allowed within 100 feet of them.

If it was about safety a third space would be acceptable.

@Somebodyswatson
teachers aren't going to be able to tell the difference between a child living as a girl and a boy messing about

Oh do tell us the list of objective observations that teachers can make to correctly categorise whether a child is a boy or a girl.

I am certain any such list will be the most appallingly sexist BS.

Schools should be liberating all children from any expectations of gender conformity. Don't you see how damaging it is for any child to be indoctrinated into believing that there is any such thing as "living as a girl" or "living as a boy".

Kids with male bodies are all simply existing in a male body whatever that body is dressed in. Any male child is living as a boy no matter what his tastes, preferences and hairstyle might be. Widen the bandwidth of what boys can be. Trans ideology narrows and regresses and is anti-liberation.

Kids with female bodies are all simply existing in a female body whatever that body is dressed in. Any female child is living as a girl no matter what her tastes, preferences and hairstyle might be. Widen the bandwidth of what girls can be. Trans ideology restricts all girls, not just those with dysphoria, to sexist and repressive ideas that should be consigned to history.

Exactly yoba

Stop with the trans boy or girl stuff. No such thing

Stop restricting kids with the label trans

Take away the gender stereotyping, and what are "trans" people identifying with? How do you "live as a woman" if woman is being born with a womb and a vagina? Males can't do that - even with so called "gender reassignment surgery" - they are still not actually female. "Living as a woman" simply consists of a series of gender stereotypes - long hair, makeup, pink etc - that feminists have been fighting against for decades. There is no "pink" brain. There are no males who are actually women.

Erish, I must have written about that twenty times on here by now. And yet the message doesn't get through. I will keep on writing out my hurt until the message does get through: that boys need to be kept away from girls in some circumstances to keep girls safe.

I can't try to forget my assault because it's so appallingly commonplace for a) boys to rape and sexually assault their peers (usually girls) at school (300 boy-on-peer rapes in English and Welsh schools per year reported to the police, goddess knows how many unreported) and b) men to sexually assault women in mixed changing rooms. I can't be quiet about it. I have to keep speaking out because I cannot stand by and let these arrogant entitled men put girls at risk.

💐bd. Keep on speaking out.

And isn't it telling that the number of girls who identify as trans is much larger than the number of boys who identify as trans?

And yet the guidance is all about how girls must accommodate boys in female spaces. That there is a hierarchy of entitlement to girls' spaces. And boys who claim to be girls always have priority in girls' spaces. Any girl who wants a single-sex space must leave the female space and seek a single-occupancy space elsewhere.

And piss all about how girls should be welcomed into the boys' changing rooms. And how boys must make way if they don't feel comfortable with girls in boys' spaces.

How many teachers will be telling 13 year old Emily who identifies as Ethan that yes, as she identifies as trans then it's fine for her to get changed with a class of 16 year old boys for football? And that there are absolutely no safeguarding issues because Emily is actually male. Because that's how she identifies. Emily is just like all the other boys.