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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sam Smith

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TimeLady · 13/09/2019 07:30

Oh, Sam. It's OK to be a feminine man. Just be patient and wait for the right partner.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7458871/Sam-Smith-asks-loved-ones-refer-instead-he.html

This looks like the first steps towards transition to me, and I have a strong sense of foreboding. Sam sounds deeply unhappy.

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Deathraystare · 13/09/2019 07:44

Well it is very fashionable!

LordRandallXV · 13/09/2019 07:46

I'm not surprised to hear this based on his recent admissions but I'm not sure it's a women's rights issue.

Boobindoop · 13/09/2019 07:57

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HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 08:04

It's one way to boost celebrity and sales.

Micaela64 · 13/09/2019 08:13

He always looks unhappy.

Sarahjconnor · 13/09/2019 08:14

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terryleather · 13/09/2019 08:17

This is a sad attempt to make a boring man interesting.

Micaela64 · 13/09/2019 08:21

"just interviewed @samsmith and they sounded so happy"

Everything else aside, the "they" thing is just so grammatically horrible in most cases. Sounds like he's referring to multiple people.

IslaMann · 13/09/2019 08:29

Ironic in that whilst reporting that Sam wishes to use non-binary pronouns, the Fail continually referred to Sam as "he" and used "his".

BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:30

I thought Sam came out as non-binary ages ago. I'm sure I remember reading a self indulgent pile of toss an interview about a year ago.

Shame Sam's talent doesn't match the level of Sam's self absorption.

NotTonightJosepheen · 13/09/2019 08:31

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JoyceJeffries · 13/09/2019 08:31

It just sounds exhausting to be around someone who makes demands of other people like that.
Most people in his/their circle are going to mess up and use “he” instead of “they” and not because they don’t care but because they are human. I see this policing of pronouns as extremely controlling.

terryleather · 13/09/2019 08:32

I see this policing of pronouns as extremely controlling.

All of this nonsense is a power play.

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 08:33

He did Barbara but attention's probably faded again and sales dropping....

HandsOffMyRights · 13/09/2019 08:37

I see he has a single out coincidentally Hmm

Mrsjayy · 13/09/2019 08:38

I could not get past" Bravely came out as non binary my eyes nearly fell out my head ! These y people are so bloody dramatic why are we tolerating this nonsense?

BarbaraStrozzi · 13/09/2019 08:41

Most people in his/their circle are going to mess up and use “he” instead of “they” and not because they don’t care but because they are human. I see this policing of pronouns as extremely controlling.

Makes me think of the film scene where danny de Vito (playing an elderly but demanding film star) throws a wobbler at the waiter for not getting his egg whites only with homeopathic quantities of truffle oil right. Pronouns are this generation's egg white omelettes.

StandingOvulation · 13/09/2019 08:42

Such a shame comments are turned off on that article.

littlepaddypaws · 13/09/2019 08:53

yet ANOTHER 'we all hate the daily mail' link, just saying Confused

TheSteveMilliband · 13/09/2019 08:58

He nicely demonstrates the issues though. I feel very sorry for Sam, obviously quite troubled, history of trauma, internalised homophobia, uncomfortable in breaking gender roles (so can only see himself as fully masculine or fully feminine, feels extremely uncomfortable with anything in between). "All made sense" after reading lots online. And any therapist suggesting he might be able to reconcile his two selfs would be accused of harmful conversion therapy. Instead we should be telling him to "go ahead" when he considers surgery, and that he's right to think men can't be feminine.

LangCleg · 13/09/2019 09:24

All of this nonsense is a power play.

That's exactly what it is.

Best response to being asked your pronouns? "Don't mind. Say what you see." The terror on the faces is highly amusing.

TimeLady · 13/09/2019 09:24

He nicely demonstrates the issues though.

I do feel sorry for boys/men with overtly feminine traits, maybe wanting to be swept off their feet, Mills & Boon style, by a tall dark handsome man. Sadly, disappointment probably looms.

I'm not sure what Sam's recent 'wearing heels' stunt was about; was it testing the waters prior to a more feminised appearance, as this article seems to suggest, or just attention seeking publicity?

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joggerbottom · 13/09/2019 09:29

The article quotes that he found the gay scene in London 'violent and scary' at times. So he came out as gay, found out that it is not as glitter as everyone makes out and is now trying to connect with a new 'scene'.

Add social media and therapy (or keyboard therapists) to the mix and we have a load of people who are trying to work out where they fit. It must be so confusing for young people right now.

MyCatsHat · 13/09/2019 09:42

I know it's depressing. I love a man who can explore the "feminine" and still love himself as a man. I hope Sam listens to Billy Porter:
twitter.com/monaeltahawy/status/1170951907596210182

Whatisthisfuckery · 13/09/2019 10:04

We took DS to see him last year, DS used to love him. He made a massive thing about being a proud gay man then, which was cringy but nice I guess.I wish he’d sort himself out.

When I was at college my best mate was a gay guy. He absolutely hated the gay scene. I remember him writing a song about how it was a meat market, it was a pretty good song too, far better than anything Sam Smith has come out with. He managed to negotiate the scene, and has a lovely partner now I believe.

Sam needs to stop worrying about everyone else and settle his own mind. Coming out is hard but there’s a reason why he felt the need to do it. I see all this non-binary/thinking like a woman nonsense as him pushing himself back into closet's and living yet more lies.

Come on Sam, being homosexual isn’t all glitter and rainbows, any of us could have told you that.You don’t have to go out onto the scene to find a partner, I didn’t. The so-called LGBT scene is awful, you’re not alone, unusual and there’s not something wrong with you for noticing that.

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