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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sam Smith

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TimeLady · 13/09/2019 07:30

Oh, Sam. It's OK to be a feminine man. Just be patient and wait for the right partner.

www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7458871/Sam-Smith-asks-loved-ones-refer-instead-he.html

This looks like the first steps towards transition to me, and I have a strong sense of foreboding. Sam sounds deeply unhappy.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 15:29

I believe Bob Dylan also did back on the day but I could be wrong. My brother had platforms waaaay back in the day. And ridiculously long hair.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 15:30

Maybe it’s a talent thing? Got talent and you can wear what the hell you like and not need to make a song and dance about it (literally).

Pinkarsedfly · 14/09/2019 15:30

I remember being mesmerised by how well Prince danced in heels...

Goosefoot · 14/09/2019 15:31

Agree but...I think this comes from parents and the wider family in those cases!

I've seen that for sure. But I think the categorisation thing also comes from pop culture. My teen daughter didn't go to school until she was about 12 so was fairly isolated from the worst of that, but when she did I was shocked at how powerfully that message came from the schools. Not even so much from the other kids at first, it was all rallies about this or that, the Rainbow club, signs about how many genders there are on the walls, several novels about trans kids appearing in the library (the one without enough books for research projects.)

My sense of where many parents miss out is in the rootedness of the person. I think maybe you have to teach that or at least talk about it in a more specific way than people often realise, and it isn't just about being affirming. Kids need to know, what makes a person valuable, have dignity, what is human life for or about. Not that they will always agree with parents, but it's a starting place. They need language to talk and think about things too. That isn't happening, at my university most students are coming into undergraduate degrees with no language to talk about ideas like that, and often no concepts around them either. All they have is the identity language.

Goosefoot · 14/09/2019 15:32

Marvin Gaye wore silver platform shoes, and he was a pretty manly man, not really even gender bending.

1forAll74 · 14/09/2019 15:56

Just another oddity in show business.It all gets very tiresome to read.

museumsandgalleries666 · 14/09/2019 16:01

Why 'they '? They is multiple, one person is singular, why not 'it'?

MagneticSingularity · 14/09/2019 16:04

Gay isn’t special and attention-getting enough anymore. You might as well be ‘cis-het’ (or whatever weird nomenclature fits these days) as gay for all the ‘special’ that makes you.
Sam Smith, like Taylor Swift who is all trans ally all the time these days, is clearly looking for a way to stay relevant.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 16:05

Indeed. If you need to show off you need to be the ‘next thing’. Shock granny and all that.

Propertyofhood · 14/09/2019 16:20

Yeah I thought that about the shoes, it's not like they are 6 inch strappy sandals, they are basically a Cuban heel!

BeMoreMagdalen · 14/09/2019 16:29

Is they identifying as the Spanish dad in Strictly Ballroom with those heels? 'Cos that fella was pretty butch despite being tiny.

MockersthefeMANist · 14/09/2019 16:32

1972-75, all young men (and boys at school like me) wore platforms, just like Bowie, Bolan, Roxy and Slade.

1982-87, boys wore mascara like Pete Burns, Robert Smith, Flock of Seagulls et al.

Nottrueatall · 14/09/2019 16:38

What an idiot...it's called a personality; everyone is a mix of masculine and feminine traits. Who cares!

When I'm baking I'm a woman and when I'm fixing something, I'm a man... is that how it works???

How ridiculous!!

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 16:38

Don’t be mean. Maybe he’s just not very bright or mature.

JoyceJeffries · 14/09/2019 16:43

David Brent had a rather fetching pair of heels to and he used to spout a load of shite as well.

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SirVixofVixHall · 14/09/2019 17:32

It is like the seventies never happened. Long hair, eyeshadow, Biba sequinned jackets, wedges. A man.

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SirVixofVixHall · 14/09/2019 17:33

Here.

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 14/09/2019 17:33

sirvix

And what a man

what a man what a man what a mighty fine man

SirVixofVixHall · 14/09/2019 17:33

Sorry, pics didn’t seem to load the first time so I re posted them.

HalloumiGus · 14/09/2019 17:54

Increasingly I am just seeing 'non-binary' and substituting 'non-specific mental health problems', low level depression and / or vague existential angst. They seem to go hand in hand.

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 14/09/2019 18:37

I see Sam Smith is thanking some rather dubious names in his tweets (www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-7461739/Sam-Smith-breaks-silence-wanting-use-pronouns.html).

I fear it won't be long till Sam announces Sam is trans.

Why am I suddenly thinking of a flock of vultures? Sad

JazzyBBG · 14/09/2019 18:53

Bravely came out as non binary.

Yes stunningly brave. Give him a medal.

ME ME ME!!

All I'm saying the photo in the green pants - there is definitely nothing feminine about that.

Get over yourself and be a proud gay man pls.

LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 18:56

Oh come on you needed to put a warning in that post!

SirVixofVixHall · 14/09/2019 19:37

I had a browse on twitter, someone had tweeted how is is “easy” and “respectful” to use the correct pronoun.
I don’t know where these kids have come from- so pompous, humourless, self-centred and patronising. I was wincing just reading the thread.

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LordProfFekkoThePenguinPhD · 14/09/2019 19:43

Respect is earned. You can’t tantrum yourself into demanding people lie to your face.

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