Seahorse BBC2 now

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I wonder what the viewing figures are, for stuff like this: www.jeaniefinlay.com/seahorsefilm

I’m not going to watch it, for a start.

And Freddie's reaction in 16 years, having produced a fine strapping young man who'll be more of a man than Freddie will ever be?....

Gosh, it's all so confused.......boys need male modelling, but also require a mother too........maybe Freddie can pull it off in the way that single mothers have to. I hope so! For the child's sake, and for Freddie.

Picking my words. The parent who physically gave birth to this child oops mother oops is very self-centred.
I think I was very self-centred when I gave birth to my first! Didn't last long after that, though. There was a baby to look after, care for, feed, keep clean, keep healthy, etc etc.
When you have a baby, you can no longer be self-centred.

What could have happened in a young woman's life to cause such a visceral rejection of her own femaleness?

This is what I always wonder when I see young women whose drive to transition seems to be more because they don't want to be women than because they want to be men.

Freddy's mother says that Freddy was at university in Edinburgh, and was unhappy, and said 'I'm a boy and I want to be a boy, and I realise this is how I've been feeling all my life'. I wonder why Freddy suddenly thought that? Freddy's mother appears to have had no idea that Freddy felt like that.

So many mixed feelings about this. I felt for Freddy quite viscerally when I heard the pain of labour but if that experience doesn't help you understand the relevance and importance of sex versus gender expression then I don't know what will. There is no value to the child in forcing courts to change mother to father, in fact there's probably a decent likelihood that you'll be storing up problems for them in future trying to explain absence of a mother. Mother isn't a gendered term, it's simply the word we use to describe the female who gave birth to a whole new human being. That's a sex thing, not a gender thing.

Mothers need clear definition and protection in law and anything or anyone who tries to muddle with that, without any consideration for wider effects, deserves all the pushback they get.

Of course Freddie is attacking women’s sex-based rights. Freddie is trying to convince the High Court that men can give birth, and is using two major media organisations - the BBC and the Guardian - to do so. You can’t get more trans rights activist than actively taking your trans rights to the High Court. Freddie is a much more influential and significant TRA than the usual idiots who just spout stuff on Twitter.

This.

Freddie is likely being funded as a more palatable test case by men who will ultimately wish to use a winning judgement for their own ends. It potentially has far reaching consequences and even Freddie may not fully understand they are being used in this way.

Seems to me that Freddy has some daddy issues left over from Freddy’s own childhood.

I couldn’t shake the feeling that Freddy is trying to be the dad he wanted for Freddyself.

I really hope Freddy gets some talking therapy because fuck knows what kind of issues you might develop from having a mum who swears they are your dad. No matter how loving that ‘dad’ might be.

I wonder how Freddie will bring their son up? Will they be happy to let him be a boy and develop a male identity or will they push them down some kind of non binary route?

I'm all for gender neutral parenting where you encourage children to break out of the stereotypes of dress and activities but biological sex is still an important part of our identity.

I can't sleep so watching. About halfway through now.

I do wonder if on some psychological level his decision to present as male was partly a way to avoid competition or comparison with his sister. She appeared at the very beginning and is quite beautiful, plus appears happily married etc. It's possible the feeling of being 'special' and all the familial attention his situation brought may have been more of pull than being the less attractive sister leading an ordinary life. He's still attracted to men.

Think child will be fine with grandma and the wider family around.

Just one link to previous discussions on Freddie:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639706-Trans-man-who-gave-birth-is-a-Guardian-Journalist

Freddie isn't a nasty TRA? Freddie deliberately got a GRC before getting themselves flooded with high quality sperm. So Freddie could then test the law. If they win, men can be legally mothers, and woman fathers. And we create another legal fiction. One that would effect the human rights of every child born in this situation. I believe a child has a fundamental right to know their biological parentage. My father was haunted by not knowing his. I hope parenthood makes Freddie understand their feelings aren't the most important thing here.

Here's a Penis News article where pregnancy is classed in terms of feelings. An academic was saying pregnancy can be "masculine". The whole thing is a huge sexist pile of shit.
www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/08/15/22-transgender-men-gave-birth-in-australia-last-year-pregnancy/

You're not a seahorse Freddie, you produce the large gametes, that makes you the mother.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/09/10/freddy-mcconnell-trans-man-seahorse-bbc-the-guardian/

'Trans men having babies is a superpower'.

I can't even.

"Was I allowed to do this thing that would be confusing and controversial for some"

I don't see confusion here, mostly women going "yeah, you're a woman, giving birth is one of those things us women do".

HRTFT but is Freddie the person who took the Guardian to an employment tribunal? Ah, no, just googled.
The first transgender man to give birth and seek to be called the child’s father has lost a high court case to protect his privacy despite warning that he and his child could be victimised and bullied as a result.

The entitlement! Making a TV documentary about having the baby, then claiming the child could be victimised if identified. Completely elastic thinking.

What Barracker and NotBad said.

I don't have the forbearance to type anything further because the obnoxious, individualist entitlement of me-me-me all the laws of the land must bend to fit my me-me-me obsession with me-me-me regardless of the effects on other women does my fucking head in.

I did like the dark haired woman who did lots of talking in the 'here's what birth is like' party.
Unabashedly referencing women giving birth, women being mothers, women's bodies, clothes just being clothes, not men's or women's
She seemed a bit like one of us.

And Freddy's obvious disdain for the women. Can't wear anything that might be associated with you lot. Urgh. People might think I'm one of you.

I haven't watched the documentary because I'm afraid it might make me break my tv but just wanted to point out that Freddie waited 11 days between signing a legal document stating he intended to live in his acquired gender for the rest of his life before going to the fertility clinic.

Freddie wasn't overcome with broodiness, this was a calculated move to get the law changed as Kat said.

Trans Pregnancy Project. At Leeds University. Headed by Sally Hines:

transpregnancy.leeds.ac.uk/about/

Freddie waited 11 days between signing a legal document stating he intended to live in his acquired gender for the rest of his life before going to the fertility clinic.

When women first raised the alarm about self ID, TRAs all banged on about it being fraud if they signed the declaration without meaning it. Jane Fae got all heated about it on tv.

Freddy signed it, then immediately and blatantly went about doing the most female they can which is impossible for men to do.

They fraudulently signed the declaration and should be stripped of their GRC. As recommended and predicted by transactivists on public tv.

Oh yes I'd forgotten about silly Sally's project

They fraudulently signed the declaration and should be stripped of their GRC

So the logical question to follow this that someone may know the answer to: who can challenge this? Who checks? If someone gets a GRC and doesn’t

intend to live permanently in their acquired gender until death

then does anyone check? Is it worth the paper it’s written on if anyone can do whatever they want afterwards?

After watching my personal view was that Freddy is a very confused person who had issues surrounding his own father.

At the start I thought Freddie visually looked Male, but quickly looked female once starting the process. The end part with Freddie in tears feeding the baby, that was a female reaction to giving birth. I actually wonder if he had to quickly go back to testosterone otherwise the natural instincts would be to revert to female.

"But by paying such little attention to trans people's wishes to start families and have full lives, and not just the lives that they dictate through this narrow sense of what it is to transition, it is in fact de facto sterilisation. "

news.sky.com/story/freddy-mcconnell-transgender-man-who-gave-birth-hits-out-at-de-facto-sterilisation-11805739

I don't post here often but this so the right place isn't it? A 'safe space' ? All I want is some reassurance that not everyone on this planet has gone completely bonkers.

11 days?!

Could that be anymore blatant?

All I want is some reassurance that not everyone on this planet has gone completely bonkers.

I suppose that depends very much on whether you'd like company in your misery or whether you actually want to be convinced that the world is not insane. Because I don't think the FWR trans threads are going to do the latter for you

I'm just watching it now.

I have to say all I can take from this is they are a massive attention seeker .its all about them. All the time. When everyone was having a laugh at the table their face just fell and they went all quiet

They avoided any negative interactions by hiding it and not telling anyone then goes look for stuff to get worked up and upset about online. Why.

The sign on the fridge. " dont turn off" would have been sufficient

Even when people are helping them out theres something to ge upset about

Seemed a theme that when people around them were happy they kinda had to bring them down again.

So little was about the baby and how much the baby was wanted.

On a side note how cute was baby Carson..