Seahorse BBC2 now

[Hirsutefirs]

I wonder what the viewing figures are, for stuff like this: www.jeaniefinlay.com/seahorsefilm

I’m not going to watch it, for a start.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Not sure why he’s doing it if it’s so torturous

I said this rather cynically on another thread, but I suspect the purpose.of this story and pregnancy, and the reason for the people funding this, is to further a cause.

[unitednations]

What's is a gay transgender man ?

Was he gay before he transitioned therefore attracted to women ?

If he regards himself as a man and is attracts to women then he is not gay ?

He cannot be a man if he is having a baby. He is a woman

If you feel the need to give birth to a baby then surely that is a female emotion so how can you say you are a man ?

[bowchicawowwow]

I liked the bit where he crossed out 'pregnant woman' on his maternity notes.

[newtlover]

he's attracted to men
but his partner at the beginning of the show was also trans
ie they were 2 women, but who both identified as men

[tartantroosers]

Barber: "what I'm going to try and do is make a bit more transition "
If that were possible.

[GrimSisters]

If you can grow a baby, you are a woman. A boring, self obsessed, opining twat, is just that, whatever their sex.

[Melroses]

turned it on, thought it was about seahorses

There was not much else on - would have liked a programme about seahorses. I expect you are not the only one. Still, they would probably have got eaten or something

[unitednations]

How can you say that you are a male trapped in a female body then fucking give birth ?

[unitednations]

No breastfeeding then ! Ffs.

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Sad to see Freddy's poor baby forcibly assigned a sex at birth by the bigoted midwife.

[SwedishEdith]

I've only been half-watching but could they not breastfeed?

[EleanorReally]

Yup, no breastfeed, how bizarre

[unitednations]

Don't think Freddie had any female breasts. Got them removed ??

[ItsAllGoingToBeFine]

Freddy can't because they had their breasts removed, and Freddy is a single parent. Seemed to have a freezer full of donor breast milk though.

Sad to see Freddy assume the child's gender, literal violence on one so young

[HopeClearwater]

Transcript: me me me me me me me me

Good thing ‘me’ is gender neutral. At the moment anyway

[SleeplessWB]

I actually felt really sad for Freddy, which I didn't expect to. At the end was talking just like a mum but already going back on testosterone & perhaps realising that it wasn't so simple as just having a baby and going back to being a 'man'.

[CoolCarrie]

Do you notice the documentary was part funded by The Guardian? Right at the end in the credits.

[tartantroosers]

Entitled little shit is now giving his mother a hard time about cleaning dog shit off the carpet. Oh my Gohhhhd- it's sooo stressful. If we have a war, we're all fucked.

[CoolCarrie]

I think Freddy is a very confused person, however , at least that beautiful baby is dearly loved by his family.

[GrinitchSpinach]

Is this not the Guardian journo who sued to be listed as the father on the birth certificate? If only R0 were around she’d have the link tout de suite. I will look...

[Ohmydaysmate]

If he gave up work before he was showing the pregnancy, did I miss the part about him working from home or how he was supporting himself and the bump/baby?

And did they (CJ/Freddie) say in the beginning they were just friends who were having a baby together? I didn't get their relationship.. were they friends with benefits or just mates they clearly we not in love, well in my eyes.

[ladyvimes]

I thought it quite telling when he said the baby was an extension of him.
Found the whole program really quite sad. Definitely seems like Freddie has some sort of mental illness.

[MildThing]

He loves as a man and still has the reproductive capacity of a female. Not traditional but so what?

Didn’t we campaign to escape being shackled to tradition?

He was obviously avoiding feminine presentation from a young age, from some of the early film and photos. Later in life he took testosterone and had top surgery.

He hasn’t pussy footed around with self id without going through a physical transition.

He supported a feminist view of the politics of pregnancy, commenting on how things would be different if it was men who typically got pregnant.

I am GC. Freddie is a million miles from McKinnon et al

Freddie is a Transman, with a longing to be a parent.

Simple.

His Mum was wonderful.

[Justhadathought]

Very interesting, and very brave of Freddie to expose themselves to scrutiny in this way.

Most new parents are naive, in the extreme, until confronted with the very visceral reality of pregnancy, childbirth and an actual living child.

Interesting how much effect stopping hormones ( testosterone) had. I felt that Freddie, for a large part, was trying, desperately, to separate from the experience, hence feeling like an alien ( I think we can all relate to that if we have been pregnant, though). However, there was the extra burden of trying to maintain his 'hard' 'masculine' self - in the face of the overwhelming soft surrender of pregnancy - and the whole process of ante-natal care, in which your body is no longer your own.

The birthing was powerful and there was such a strong bond with the child. Shame that there were no breasts to suckle......The fact that Freddie was going to start on testosterone immediately is a concern, I feel. I do think that this may impinge on the strong bond that s/he feels for her child; and once again insert hardness/boundary/separation.

i can't help but wonder whether Freddie will eventually end up de-transitioning, or else if the grandmother will end up, effectively, bringing up the child. The dissonance of maternal instinct and feeling set against a determination to be 'male' - and all that suggested about exterior focus and separation from feeling.

Being a single parent is not the easiest thing in the world either. and a child searches for and needs a mother, as well as a father. Does Freddie really want to be a father, when the instincts scream 'mother'.
I'm worried about taking up testosterone once more.

[MildThing]

“Sad to see Freddy assume the child's gender, literal violence on one so young “

Freddie is not all Trans people. Freddie is not attacking women’s sex based rights as a TRA, so why reference stuff that TRAs say?