Seahorse BBC2 now

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I wonder what the viewing figures are, for stuff like this: www.jeaniefinlay.com/seahorsefilm

I’m not going to watch it, for a start.

Just about to watch this. I couldn't believe the article in The Guardian that ran with the headline "Man gives birth." Unbelievable.

I agree with you MildThing.

I really like Freddie, thought he came across really well. The whole programme made me feel so sad though - the way he was talking at the end was how a mother talks about her child, and the experience he has been through is entirely female and he knows that,he just wanted to be a parent.

A hypothetical musing follows, not specific to the subject of the documentary, so please don't delete, MNHQ, as I'm following guidelines and not 'misgendering' a specific person.

What could have happened in a young woman's life to cause such a visceral rejection of her own femaleness? The gargantuan effort that must be exerted to maintain that baseless delusion.

I have ovaries like all them - but I'm not like them
I have a uterus like them - but I'm not like them
I menstruate like them - but I'm not like them
I am pregnant like them - but I'm not like them
I give birth through my vagina like them - but I'm not like them

What must she force herself to imagine women are like, to maintain that she is not?
What imaginary traits does she dream we all share that disgust her so, that she must reject?

This imaginary, invisible, indescribably repulsive femaleness that must be foisted upon others, in order for one to reject it for oneself.

What is its nature, this horror, this rejectable femaleness that surpasses ovaries and uteruses?

Entitled little shit is now giving his mother a hard time about cleaning dog shit off the carpet. Oh my Gohhhhd- it's sooo stressful. If we have a war, we're all fucked

Oh for goodness sake, have some compassion.The nesting instincts had kicked in. Personally feel that Freddie will 'miss being a mother' when s/he starts testosterone again.

And what about the baby? The baby is now the most important thing in all of this. A strange experiment - and one that I hope all come out of intact.

A strange experiment

You don't experiment with having babies.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3564619-The-Dad-who-gave-Birth

Previous thread addressing court ruling:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3639706-Trans-man-who-gave-birth-is-a-Guardian-Journalist?pg=1&order=

Brilliant post Barracker

GrinitchSpinach

Yes, McConnell is a Guardian journalist who is trying to register as the baby’s father than mother. McConnell lost the right to anonymity regarding that case - still before the high court as far as I am aware - mainly due to the fact that this documentary was made and it was all in the public domain.

Cross post

I think the partner wasn’t born Male

As far as i could make out CJ was female. That CJ abandoned the relationship was interesting, and that was not explored. Both were very naive. As most first time parents are; but with added extra super dissonance of the true nature of their situation.

Barracker
Well said, as always.

She rejects her entire female self.
Patriarchy's end game.

Freddie is a very self centred person

Started off that way -as most new parents do......but then the maternal instincts kicked in big time. I think that taking testosterone agin will be a big mistake both for Freddie and the child.

A gay transgender man.

A woman, then.

A butch woman, but a woman nevertheless in a heterosexual relationship....

Freddie cries during labour don't sound 'right', probably due to testosterone, the noise didn't evoke the same level of empathy in me as hearing a woman give birth

It certainly evoked empathy in me. Freddie was a woman when giving birth. Freddie is a woman, and a mother - in spite of the adopted and assumed male persona. ( & hormones)

Female capitulation.

You don't experiment with having babies

But that is exactly what has happened. My best hope is that Freddie's maternal instinct sees through - and that the child becomes more important than Freddie's feelings about identity.

I hope that Freddie finds peace within themselves. I found the documentary quite sad, but not for the reasons Freddie would think.

It could end up as one of those families where the child is the only one with an ounce of sense.

It could end up as one of those families where the child resides with the grandparents!

And Freddie's reaction in 16 years, having produced a fine strapping young man who'll be more of a man than Freddie will ever be?....

Couldn't get this out of my mind for some reason.

It could end up as one of those families where the child resides with the grandparents!

Yes! Except the husband was a step-father and not a natal father. The natal father seemed to be a alienated. Mind you the step father did too.

I hope that Freddie de-transitions, in that s/he stops taking the hormones...and maybe goes to live with her mum. For her sake, and the baby's sake.

Freddie is not all Trans people. Freddie is not attacking women’s sex based rights as a TRA, so why reference stuff that TRAs say?

Of course Freddie is attacking women’s sex-based rights. Freddie is trying to convince the High Court that men can give birth, and is using two major media organisations - the BBC and the Guardian - to do so. You can’t get more trans rights activist than actively taking your trans rights to the High Court. Freddie is a much more influential and significant TRA than the usual idiots who just spout stuff on Twitter.