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Transsexual women face erasure

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joannegosling2 · 16/08/2019 22:45

It's a fine state of affairs isn't it?

Please - before the administrators axe this post, at least hear me out.

August 2019 - Transsexual women (not the self ID-seeking transgender - I refer to those of us who surgically transition lock, stock and barrel under strict medical supervision but whose narratives have been appropriated by the TG activists and advertised as their own) now being clobbered by feminists, not only here but every where else on the internet too, whether it be on TGN or this new Spinster group I've heard about. I understand the voice of feminism on the latter has reached unseen heights of extremism.

In fact, if I may say, equally as extreme as the trans activists whom feminists have been resisting for quite some time now. But what a difference a week makes. It seems they are now mounting a full-on attack on their own allies - we transsexuals (who are no less
appalled by the behaviour of the transgenderists and feel equally threatened by them), suggesting we are exactly like those same people with no respect at all for women. AND IT IS CATCHING ON.

They insult us further by calling us men and insisting we submit to male pronouns and acknowledge the absurd assumption that we benefit from male privilege (whatever that is, I surely never realized there was any).

For the zillionth time WE are NOT the problem. This entire farce was started by the self ID demands of the TG crowd. It is true - and we recognise - that women are fighting for their rights as never before. But regrettably there are certain feminist agitators who now see this as a golden opportunity to rid the streets and social life of not only
cross-dressing men who seek to enter their spaces but transsexuals too. To this end they have petitioned MPs to scrap the Gender Recognition Act which affords some legal protection to us...which by happy coincidence (though for different reasons) is exactly what their enemies demand also.

So here the two opposing sides have found common ground, and the politicians, having had the wool pulled over their eyes by the TRAs using narratives stolen from us, are joyfully legislating to bring peace and harmony to our troubled society. Cross-dressers will have their self ID on condition they respect segregated spaces and women will be safe from men in their toilets. And we will all live happily ever after.

Not so for us transsexuals. Someone somewhere has decided that we must be the sacrificial lamb to enable this to happen. We must cease to exist as a group. And not existing together with self ID being in place means it will be deemed no longer appropriate to transition via surgical means. Consequently all such treatment, once tailored purely for he needs of transsexuals, will vanish forever.

I hear women repeat over and over that they were never consulted about 'old-school' transsexuals using their spaces like we have done for years. Since in all probability many of you here weren't even born when I had my operation some 30 years ago that would have been rather difficult. And besides I don't recall being consulted about these outrageous proposals to erase me and my compatriots from society. There are certain well-known individuals on social media claiming to be transsexual but who eagerly cow to feminist insistence that they be labelled men. If they are happy to be blokes, fine. But they
certainly do NOT speak for most of us. I will NOT degrade myself in that way just to please others - nor to seek validation.

Personally it matters little whether women accept me or not. They never did when I was trying my best to present myself in the male role either. That used to hurt me a lot. But now I've grown harder. If the feminists treat their allies worse than they do their enemies, then they do not deserve allies. Whilst still supporting women's concerns in general, transsexuals are also entitled to fight for their existence - especially in the face of so many seeking their total erasure.

I believe feminists have singled us out for one simple reason. Thanks to our years of serious and medicated transitioning (unlike the TG community) many of us pass so well women cannot tell should they brush by us in their toilets. (If you have they're most probably cross-dressers). This I feel is what irks them most as it makes it near impossible to keep us out. So the fewer transsexuals enabled to transition, the less will be in their spaces.

I refuse to pay atonement for the sins of transgender activists. I'm sorry but I just cannot accept that from now on we be barred from women's toilets and hospital wards. For I can tell you it will not stop there. Next it will be parks, libraries, shopping centres and schools -
indeed any place where there are children. Apartheid sound familiar?

So know this Mumsnetters. I shall go on using women's toilets as I've done for half my life now. Not because I'm some misogynistic, foul-mouthed lager-drinking bloke who seeks to undermine or abuse women as many feminists seem to relish believing these days, but to
quietly assert my right to exist; you see I do it in the context of the time when black people once sat at segregated lunch counters enduring terrible abuse and violence from bigots.

Feminists can so do their worst. We few transsexuals who are left have nothing to lose now.

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Trohmaniac · 22/08/2019 23:22

Yay 900 lol

Blatantly admitting that you're just waiting on the thread to be maxed out - but God forbid anyone mention community disruptors, eh?

Hmm
Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:23

AllNaturalWoman
me too, the answer Is sometimes I'm on a computer or I am not watching TV at the same time.

Trohmaniac · 22/08/2019 23:24

Bespin has no intention of debating seriously, just lots of daft 'lol' posts - blatant attempt to max out the thread.

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 23:24

I'm sure bespin was pleased that they got the conversation away from autogynephilia, and onto karate!

Because, for some reason, TRAs don't want us to talk about AGP.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:24

Blatantly admitting that you're just waiting on the thread to be maxed out

again people on here make so many assumptions. can people not celebrate a good long thread based on one post.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:26

zebrasdontwearbras

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Trohmaniac · 22/08/2019 23:27

Wait - my best friend was a boy as a child. I wore jeans and trainers and had my hair cut short when I was 9.

Fuck me, I'm a BOY!

Oh, no, sorry, still a woman - because I was born female and will always be female and liking 'boy' things doesn't make me a bloke anymore than my son dressing in his sister's Snow White dress when he was 2 makes him a girl.

LangCleg · 22/08/2019 23:27

Bespin - did you report a traumatised woman, fleeing abuse and currently homeless, to MNHQ for not being sufficiently compliant in her language?

Because if that's what you're calling bullying, then I don't know what I can tell you.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:27

sorry TRAs don't want us to talk about AGP.

This tread is about transexuals there a completely different and distinct diagnosis.

Aberhonddu · 22/08/2019 23:28

Bespin, it's clear that you don't want a debate. Detroit did not target you, you made her your target, that's absolutely clear on this thread.
When women don't agree with you or ask you questions that you are unable to answer you call it bullying. If you find it upsetting and you feel bullied then maybe tone down your condescending attitude. The reason that complaints have been made about the deletion is because MNHQ appeared to support a persons hurt feelings over a woman that was bloody frightened
I have no idea who reported Detroit's post but I really do feel that it was an unwise decision to delete that post.
Great thread for the semi lurkers. As a pp said upthread keep on posting bespin

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 23:28

I'm beginning to think transsexuals are also AGP. I don't believe you can be born into the "wrong body".

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 22/08/2019 23:28

I'm seriously beginning to think it's all autogynephilia.

Now that same-sex marriage is legal there is less need for some male homosexuals to "present" as what they perceive to be "female".

So yes, I would agree that most current adult male transitioners are autogynephilic.

And any male who embeds himself here in Mumsnet is, almost certainly, autogynephilic.

Trohmaniac · 22/08/2019 23:29

I'm beginning to think transsexuals are also AGP. I don't believe you can be born into the "wrong body".

I agree. "Born in the wrong body" is such horseshit.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:32

I'm beginning to think transsexuals are also AGP. I don't believe you can be born into the "wrong body"

me neither I've never used that short hand to explain it. but medical professionals beleive they are different hence the different diagnosis between transexual and Cross dresser.

zebrasdontwearbras · 22/08/2019 23:32

And any male who embeds himself here in Mumsnet is, almost certainly, autogynephilic.

Yes, I'm certain of that.

The self-declared transsexual who wrote the OP is a classic example - v domineering over women - shows a clear dislike of women.

ReSistering · 22/08/2019 23:33

Was it you bespin would you own up to your responsibility if it were, and what exactly was the complaint that it got deleted?

Gross and shocking.

Flowers Detroit

Ereshkigal · 22/08/2019 23:33

Because, for some reason, TRAs don't want us to talk about AGP.

Can't imagine why.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:33

And any male who embeds himself here in Mumsnet is, almost certainly, autogynephilic.

Im sure the few men that do post on here would be suprised to here that.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 22/08/2019 23:34

sorry TRAs don't want us to talk about AGP.

This tread [sic] is about transexuals [sic] there [sic] a completely different and distinct diagnosis.

How are they a "completely different and distinct diagnosis"? Please be more specific?

From what I have read of Dr Anne Lawrence autogynephilia is the only relevant diagnosis with reference to heterosexual males.

[Note that Dr Anne Lawrence is an autogynephilic man.]

PurpleCrowbar · 22/08/2019 23:34

I'm a bit confused by Bespin.

On the one hand, there's the jolly 'we are all in this together' persona. & lots of previous posts to the effect that Bespin only posts on MN because Bespin enjoys doing so, wot larks.

Then there's the 'this thread is over' because it hasn't quite gone how Bespin would like.

I'm not sure what you actually want to happen, Bespin?

I also don't think women should lose sleep over what you want from this thread, but I'm honestly curious!

LangCleg · 22/08/2019 23:35

This tread is about transexuals there a completely different and distinct diagnosis

Ray Blanchard would beg to differ.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:37

Ray Blanchard would beg to differ.

and the rest of the medical professor would beg to differ with him lol.

Bespin · 22/08/2019 23:38

I'm not sure what you actually want to happen, Bespin?

your not really interested to know the answer are you.

Creepster · 22/08/2019 23:40

Wow! It is almost like reading a chapter from Bancroft's book, innit?

Cascade220 · 22/08/2019 23:40

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