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The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket

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NotAtMyAge · 11/08/2019 17:28

Women's cricket is now open to transwomen, who don't even have to reduce testosterone unless wanting to be considered for international games. For the domestic game the ECB is using the 'social model', having, of course, been advised in their decision-making by Stonewall. I don't even like cricket, but this wholesale ignoring of the Equality Act 2010 has made me furious!

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1160503880179998720

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BiologyIsReal · 12/08/2019 11:41

Any organisation that uses "assigned at birth" can never be taken seriously. They are drowning in kool aid.

"Observed" is the word you are struggling for ECB.

Popchyk · 12/08/2019 11:45

Struggling to define what the different gender expressions are between this female cricketer and this male cricketer.

Maybe the ECB can fill us in.

One's got a hard hat on. Maybe that is the difference.

The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket
The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket
BiologyIsReal · 12/08/2019 11:54

(being physically male doesn’t always mean a person is a boy / man). says the ECB.

And this is an organisation that runs the country's national summer sport. Truly, women's sport is fucked.

I really think complaints with a copy of this FAQ document should go to all the Sky Sports commentators, as Sky is the TV channel that features both men's and women's crickets in all its formats and the commentators are all ex internationals.

I am having a quiet giggle imagining what Ian Botham's reaction might be.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/08/2019 12:26

OK, I've written. See what I get back.

AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/08/2019 12:31

The FAQ makes me angrier than the policy. I'm a scientist and it's as though we have left all rational thought behind.

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NotAtMyAge · 12/08/2019 17:18

The FAQ makes me angrier than the policy. I'm a scientist and it's as though we have left all rational thought behind.

It reads as though it was dictated by Stonewall. All the stuff about sex and gender not being binary but a spectrum and asking individuals how they describe themselves and what their pronouns are. No way did the ECB board come up with ANY of this themselves. I doubt many of them even understand it. Stonewall's reach is VERY long.

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AlwaysTawnyOwl · 12/08/2019 19:17

"It reads as though it was dictated by Stonewall"

I agree. In fact the wording sounds familiar to that in the guidance of the Football Association - clearly they are all from one source.

JellySlice · 12/08/2019 20:05

(being physically male doesn’t always mean a person is a boy / man). says the ECB.

OK, if you say so, ECB.

So what does being physically male mean for the rules of cricket? Is the boundary set differently to allow for an aesthetic preference (ie liking pink and sparkly and wearing frocks means that the boundary should be closer) or is it to allow for the ability of physically male people (you know, men) to hit the ball further and harder than physically female people?

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 12/08/2019 20:06

It reads as though it was dictated by Stonewall

I have no doubt that this is solely the work of trans lobbyists, and the people in the ECB who agreed it either have no proper understanding of physical bodies or cricket.

WhatWouldBarbaraCastleDo · 13/08/2019 07:10

In addition to emailing your views to the ECB, they have a survey about women's cricket.
ecb.tell-us-what-you-think.com/s3/Cricket-Playing-Survey-2019-Network.

There's only one free text box and they talk repeatedly about single gender teams - so you may wish to raise it there.

scottishbride · 13/08/2019 17:14

Thanks for that link- will definitely do the survey- I used to play for my local team before I had my little ones and there is no way we could have played with or against men- for a start very few of us had played at school or uni so very much beginners.
I’ll show it to my mum too- she did play cricket at school but was peak transed before me when a transwoman tried to play off the women’s tees at her golf course!

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 14/08/2019 21:30

Well that's disappointing. Why bother reviewing it if you're going to ignore all the scientific evidence of unfair advantage and warnings of the damage to women's cricket (before your elite league even bloody begins).

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NotAtMyAge · 14/08/2019 21:45

Right at the end of the Times article was this little nugget:

The International Olympic Committee is also looking at its guidelines on transgender athletes and is considering lowering the testosterone level to 5nmol/l.

Rachel McKinnon et al will NOT be pleased. I just hope this persuades the ECB to move away from its deeply unfair and potentially dangerous social inclusion model towards a medical model which would do something to reduce the physical advantages enjoyed by transgender players in the women's game.

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OldCrone · 14/08/2019 21:49

In our current policy, the eligibility of players is based on one’s own self-identified gender, with no medical requirement.

For all these policies, they really need to spell out what a 'self-identified gender' is, and explain why a self identified gender overrules biological fact. Then the absurd sexism of the whole ideology will be obvious.

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NotAtMyAge · 15/08/2019 20:33

A propos of the danger of being killed or injured by a cricket ball, I've just seen this in the Wales section of the BBC website:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-wales-49355870

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Samoture · 15/08/2019 21:17

I wonder whether the recent appointment of one Lord as a Director of Middlesex CC had anything to do with it. I don't know whether local clubs have influence at the ECB level or not, being a lowly female wot didn't play crikkit at skool.

SheWhoMustBeSilent · 15/08/2019 21:28

I wonder whether the recent appointment of one Lord as a Director of Middlesex CC had anything to do with it.

Would that be a Lord who has a relationship with the City of London Corporation by any chance?

Needmoresleep · 15/08/2019 22:48

edwardlord.org/news/

Cricket, basketball...previously swimming and football. Is there no limit to this mans talents?

Just what makes him so special? Is it simply that people think they need to know about diversity so pick him. Because obviously, as a white middleclass male he knows it all.

andyoldlabour · 16/08/2019 10:51

"Because obviously, as a white middleclass male he knows it all."

Looking at that list, it all seems a bit "trowels and handshakes" to me Hmm

littlbrowndog · 16/08/2019 11:11

Oh the lord. So special. Knows so many sports

AnotherNightWatering · 16/08/2019 13:41

I don't have a share token, but The Times story on this today, with quote from Fair Play for Women:

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/sport/transgender-players-making-mockery-of-womens-game-tb3jqn9wq

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NotAtMyAge · 16/08/2019 14:14

Having now read the article I'm yet again cheered by the comments. The average Times reader is distinctly unimpressed, if not outraged.

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S1naidSucks · 16/08/2019 14:31

That’s such a good article and the comments are brilliant.