The English Cricket Board sells out women's cricket

[NotAtMyAge]

Women's cricket is now open to transwomen, who don't even have to reduce testosterone unless wanting to be considered for international games. For the domestic game the ECB is using the 'social model', having, of course, been advised in their decision-making by Stonewall. I don't even like cricket, but this wholesale ignoring of the Equality Act 2010 has made me furious!

twitter.com/fairplaywomen/status/1160503880179998720

How depressing. Men's sport for men, and women's sport for men too.

How can we challenge this and get them to revert it?

And in response to the person who is seemingly unaware of biology, of course male and female bodies are different. I really wonder sometimes if some people ever listened to anything in school.

It’s not that long - five years - since a male cricketer was killed by a ball bowled by a fast bowler. The telegraph has the details.

Men bowl 25% faster than women. I don’t know how much harder/further they bat but the difference in the boundaries shows that there is a massive difference. Anecdotally I have been at international men’s and women’s cricket matches many times over the last few decades and I can’t remember a women’s ball hit into the stands but there is at least one every time I’ve seen men’s cricket. Even men’s county cricket.

We know that men are stronger than women. Any sporting body pretending they’re not are cowardly and misogynistic.

And littlbrowndog I am both sweaty and Sweary

Either male and female differences in biology make no difference, in which cricket should be de segregated, like equine sports are. Or they do, in which case chromosomally male persons have no place in the women’s game.
It’s really quite simple.

How can we challenge this and get them to revert it?

I don't have anything to do with cricket, or any other sport for that matter. But can I suggest if you or your friends enjoy going to local/village cricket or any other cricket where women/wags keen supporters volunteer time and make cricket teas for the men - how about making a stand and downing bread knives , no more teas until this decision is reversed.

Also a great opportunity to spread information about the assault on women's sport generally if you have an opportunity to chat to the sandwich makers.

A token protest no doubt but I can think of newspapers that would love to report the mutiny of the tea ladies.

I don’t know how much harder/further they bat but the difference in the boundaries shows that there is a massive difference.

in the current T20 Blast (men)/KIA Super League (women) series, they often play double-headers, usually the women in the afternoon then the men in the evening.

The women play with the boundary rope brought in quite a way, and even then you rarely see a six. It is part of the enjoyment of the womens' game that they play the ball along the ground with a range of shots rather than just whack it out of the ground.

It should be noted that certain countries already cheat massively when it comes to age-restricted events. Numerous players from one country in particular suddenly discover later in their careers they were in fact two or three years older than they originally claimed, e.g, Javed Miandad who thought he was only 15 during the 1975 World Cup but turned out to have been born in 1957.

Stonewall must be wetting themselves over how well this takeover is going. There won't be a single place left where women can have their own place.

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men?

What a load of old bollocks! We are, in the main, physically weaker, shorter, slower and our skulls aren’t as thick as means, so in that respect, of course we’re bloody softer. If you don’t believe me, go out and ask a man of a similar build to you, to have an arm wrestle or boxing fight. It wouldn’t matter if he was 4” shorter than you, he’d most likely still win.

*Thick as men’s

Mockers thanks for repeating my point. Are you a man, perchance?

"Today marks the death of women's cricket. The ashes will be taken to the pavilion, where women are still very welcome as long as they stick to making the sandwiches"

Feel free to steal and tweet/post on fb. I am fucking furious.

Literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. A Male fast bowler could kill a man if he hit him in the right place.

No, it’s not ridiculous FFS. The fastest recorded female fast bowler is 126km/hr. Your average male club bowler would easily bowl in excess of that. That means the women facing will have NO experience of facing such speed, as well as the angle the ball will arrive at will be different due to the height, arm length difference and pitch. Also, women use a lighter ball. Will the males who identify as women use this ball and get even more speed? Have any trials been done? Net trials, bowling trials? I emailed Cricket Australia with these concerns and have heard nothing .

So YES, women are now at greater risk.

Long time lurker - I thought it would be sport that brought me out of my shell.
Love cricket - going to a day at the Ashes in a couple of weeks- maybe I’ll be an AHF T-shirt and try to get on TV!
(Or texting TMS might be worth a try - if they had one of the women commentators on - most are ex players, would make a great lunchtime slot- I’d love Geoffrey Boycotts view!)

Or even BUY a t shirt!

How very very sad.

Women's sport may not matter to men, but it does matter to sports loving women and girls.

A decision made by men on the advice of men to benefit men.

But can I suggest if you or your friends enjoy going to local/village cricket or any other cricket where women/wags keen supporters volunteer time and make cricket teas for the men - how about making a stand and downing bread knives , no more teas until this decision is reversed.

www.cricketcountry.com/articles/suffragettes-burned-down-pavilion-of-nevill-ground-tunbridge-wells-25094

I’m not suggesting arson, just that revolt of the tea ladies has priors.

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men??

Cricketmum, physically we are, as women, on average, quite literally, softer. We have less muscle, more subcutaneous fat, and smaller, less dense bones. Face facts - there is no shame in physical weakness. My elderly father is no less a person just because I could push him over with my little finger (during one of his rare ventures from his bed, across his room, to the bathroom, in his care home).

How incredulous they shall be in years to come!

I shall never forget being handed my wonderful son by the midwife: after three daughters the difference was illuminating. He was so much denser (though not bigger as such), my girls seemed like birds in comparison. Not all infants, or adults, will follow these averages, but the probability of injury is exponentially higher when men play physically against women!

"a male fast bowler could kill a woman" [is]
Literally the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. A Male fast bowler could kill a man if he hit him in the right place.

Male cricketers have (accidentally and tragically) killed men, yes. I'm also aware of a 12yo girl accidentally killed by a 14yo batsman. I'm not aware of any deaths caused by a female cricketer. Is anyone?

Adding males to the female game increases the risk to female players. Why is it ridiculous to point this out?

Is this really the right place to be insinuating that we are somehow softer than men??

No one is "insinuating" we are "softer." The fact is that women have less physical power and lower bone density than men. There is no shame in that. Hence adding males to the female game increases the risk to female players.

Yes, let’s get boycott onto this.
That would be interesting.

All this could have been prevented if they just said no. No, you can't compete with women as you are male, sorry if it makes you sad. We are working with our men's teams to make them accept feminine men though. But no, it's more acceptable to destroy women's sports than to say No to sad men.

Not that it matters, but I think the men at the ECB who signed this off were probably saying who wonderful and inclusive we are but probably thoughy what bollocks to themselves.

This awful process seems unstopable.

Imagine being a teen girl with dreams of joining the excellent England team in a few years (the women's team is much more successful than the men's, in actual fact).

Now imagine your chance at a spot being scuppered by a mediocre 32 year old man who fancied his chances at playing on an internationally winning team.

This is absolutely the death of women's sport, because girls will just give up before even trying to get to a professional level. One generation and it will be gone.

This policy has been in place since at least 2016.

For any recreational Club which plays in any cricket competition, league or match which is governed by the ECB, the eligibility of a trans person is determined as follows:

11.1 any trans person may compete in any mixed gender competition, league or match in their affirmed gender or preferred gender identity and should be accepted as the gender they present or in their preferred gender identity;

11.2 a transgender man may compete in any open competition, league or match and should be accepted in the gender in which they present, but may not compete in any female only competition, league or match;

11.3 a transgender woman may compete in any open competition, league or match or any female only competition, league or match and should be accepted in the gender in which they present; and

11.4 an individual identifying themselves as non-binary may compete in any open competition, league or match and should be accepted by reference to the gender identity in which they present but may not compete in any female only competition, league or match.

So males may play in any game, but some females may not play in women's games.

This is how the ECB ensures its commitment to

...the principles of diversity and inclusion in cricket.
^

1. The ECB aims to ensure that all people, irrespective of their:

3.1 age; 3.2 disability; 3.3 gender identity; 3.4 marriage or civil partnership status; 3.5 maternity, pregnancy or breastfeeding status; 3.6 race (including ethnic origin, nationality and colour); 3.7 religion or beliefs; or 3.8 sex, social status or sexual orientation;^ ^ have a genuine and equal opportunity to participate in cricket in England and Wales at all levels and in all roles and that they are treated fairly, equally and with respect.^

https://platform-static-files.s3.amazonaws.com/ecb/document/2019/04/26/3bb659af-9a7d-4ffa-810d-7fae32959ee6/Non-First-Class-ECB-Regulations-Transgender-2019.pdf

Someone explain to me why someone with a gender identity [male to female] does not have a genuine and equal opportunity to participate in cricket. How are they being prevented from playing cricket?

11.4 an individual identifying themselves as non-binary may compete in any open competition, league or match and should be accepted by reference to the gender identity in which they present but may not compete in any female only competition, league or match.

This doesn't even make sense!

That's ridiculous.