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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

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Aberhonddu · 06/08/2019 22:09

Minnie more than once you've mentioned young women posting here, what strange gift do you have that you are able to detect the age of a poster? Extraordinarily skilled of you, do share and tell how you know their ages

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 22:11

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CharlieParley · 06/08/2019 22:13

WendyMcWendface People keep coming back to the dictionary definition of things and it is weird (plus link)

That link you posted leads to an article I suspect is incapable of the heavy lifting you want it to do. First of all, there is of course no such fallacy as "Appeal to Definition". There can't be because in debates where one uses reason to argue any claim, to clearly and unequivocally define one's terms is vital.

Furthermore, the author himself advises at the very end, in a manner that contradicts his previous points, that it is in fact the most common definition of a term that truly matters.

Lesbian - female homosexual
Women - adult human female

are not only the most common definitions of these terms in the Anglosphere, they are the most common definitions of these terms everywhere in the world. In all other languages that have a term for "lesbian" and a term for "woman", this is the definition.

And because this is the universally understood meaning of these signifiers, this is how they are defined in international and national laws. So, yes, we keep coming back to dictionary definitions. But it's not weird, it's entirely logical.

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Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:13

This is the photo of the float you linked.

The only liar is you. I asked several times if someone could confirm if the flags mentioned were MAP flags, because I cant play the video.

I also asked you several times, because you kept going on about them shouting at the float, why you felt the protesters were being to shout that at the fetish float. Uou didnt answer.

You used then shouting at the float as a counter to the fact that trans allies had tried to have the protesters removed.

Why is it even worth mentioning? Unless you think fetish play as a place at pride?

Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today
Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 22:14

I passed no comment either way on whether fetish’s should be allowed at pride.

The woman shouted ‘get out of pride’ at the apparently fetish float because they didn’t believe it belonged there. Fair enough.

But some people thought GC people didn’t belong there either. Somehow, this is not considered ‘fair enough’

Bespin · 06/08/2019 22:15

and we're back to belittling again.

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 22:15

I told you twice it wasn’t a MAP float, you still didn’t believe me so I sent you that picture to check the flag yourself.

I’m not your mother, do your own homework.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:17

But some people thought GC people didn’t belong there either. Somehow, this is not considered ‘fair enough’

Some people thought lesbians didnt belong there.

Exactly what has a fetish got to do with sexual orientation and how is it appropriate at a family event?

Again, I'll ask. What do you call someone who involves children in their sexual games?

You raised the fact the protestors shouted at a float you must think it's an issue.

How are they not allowed to think it about the fetish float, but its ok for people to think lesbians shouldnt be there?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 22:18

I only OMG when people wilfully miss the point and twist what you're saying.
I'm not usually an Omigodder.

Datun · 06/08/2019 22:18

The woman shouted ‘get out of pride’ at the apparently fetish float because they didn’t believe it belonged there. Fair enough.

But some people thought GC people didn’t belong there either. Somehow, this is not considered ‘fair enough’

Blokes with a sexual fetish being included in a march for homosexual acceptance. Versus homosexuals.

I don't give a toss if pride is rebranded as being a march for fetishists, pedos and men's sexual rights. But let's hear it. Let's know about it. Own it.

They need to stop hiding behind the fact that most people think it's for homosexuality, when homosexuals aren't welcome.

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 22:19

Thousands of lesbians were welcomed with open arms and many joined in the protests against the GC woman.

Them not being welcome was nothing to do with the woman being lesbian.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:20

I told you twice it wasn’t a MAP float, you still didn’t believe me so I sent you that picture to check the flag yourself.

Thank god you arent my mother.

I can play the video. How many times do you need talking that. And why would I take your word for anything?

Since so far you have changed your mind on so things.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 22:21

Some people thought lesbians didnt belong there

Ones who protested at trans people? At LGBT parade?
Why can you not see that's where some were apparently not welcome?
It has nothing to DO with the fact they're lesbians, and everything to do with they're protesting at trans people!

Datun · 06/08/2019 22:21

Nope. Again. Homosexuality is protected by law.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 22:21

But some people thought GC people didn’t belong there either. Somehow, this is not considered ‘fair enough’

This person is using the phrase "GC people" when what is really the meaning is lesbians do not belong at Pride, since the protesters were all lesbians.

So Pride does not include female homosexuals now. It only includes men [heterosexual and gay] and bisexuals.

If this does not indicate the misogyny that is now inherent in Pride culture nothing else will.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 22:22

Thousands of lesbians were welcomed with open arms and many joined in the protests against the GC woman. Them not being welcome was nothing to do with the woman being lesbian

Cross posted - what you just said.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:22

Thousands of lesbians were welcomed with open arms and many joined in the protests against the GC woman.

Thousands of lesbians did not join in against the protesters.

What you are saying is that only lesbians who agree with all trans ideology are welcome?

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 22:23

when what is really the meaning is lesbians do not belong at Pride, since the protesters were all lesbians

No - the behaviour of SOME lesbians means THEY were not welcome at Pride, not the entire whole lot of all the lesbians aren't welcome like some like to paint it as!

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 22:23

Is that a fucking 4chan link? Are you serious?

Why not give us some 8chan while we're at it and we'll bring some white supremacist mass-shooters into play.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:24

Ones who protested at trans people? At LGBT parade?
Why can you not see that's where some were apparently not welcome?
It has nothing to DO with the fact they're lesbians, and everything to do with they're protesting at trans people!

They were protesting for their own rights. Shock horror.....at pride.

And from the summary, it sounds like they didnt even get chance to start.

Datun · 06/08/2019 22:24

Just for the avoidance of doubt - there isn't a single lesbian on the planet who agrees that lesbianism includes males.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 22:24

Sorry didnt getvxhance tibstart before people starting protesting at them.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 22:25

No - the behaviour of SOME lesbians means THEY were not welcome at Pride, not the entire whole lot of all the lesbians aren't welcome like some like to paint it as!

At Pride. Jesus fucking wept.

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