Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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Well thats certainly been an enlightening read.

2b apologised yesterday re MAP float that people like myself responded to. My comment re that was mainly just to explain what MAP stood for, as not everyone would be aware.

I tend to believe the regular GC posters as generally evidence is supplied.

Never heard any woman talk about jacking off and we in my 45 years - never ever happened.

The red flags re safe guarding always come from the same people. If as roses says they are a SAHM they are not near anyone elses kids unlike others.

We're back to barbed wire and baseball bats.
Anyone saying anything like that is extremists, why say it like it's the entire community?
Extremists are just that, extremists.
Do the extremists on here speak for everybody?
No.
There's a lot of middle of the road, perfectly within reason posters who have valid safety concerns.
A select few though? More dangerous.
And this is why the whole thing is just such a great big mess.
The extremists shout loudly on social media. Drumming up fear.

People should be able to date who they want

Although you have to accept that your dating pool is restricted to the pool of people who are willing to date you, and that some people will reject you because you are the wrong sex.

It's really unclear why this should be a difficult concept to grasp at a Pride march.

NATALT.

However the baseball bats are actually showcased in an art exhibit in the states, celebrating the threatening and abuse of women as part of the trans movement, and the extremists shouting loudly on social media are also the ones advising select committees, taking leadership roles of great influence and creating fucking laws that make this shit legal . The list is long.

If you're not worried by that bully for you, but I'm going to be over here defending women's rights to equality and freedom from this kind of harm thanks, because it's wrong. It's morally, ethically and appallingly wrong.

And if you want evidence of extremism becoming normalised, then take a look at 120 people, mostly male, screaming at 8 women for saying lesbians are adult human females.

I tend to believe the regular GC posters as generally evidence is supplied

That's the problem though - stuff is just blindly believed because of who it is or isn't,
No back up whatsoever, it was just said as fact that there was a MAP float at Pride and paedophiles were openly welcomed.
THAT'S what people are having a problem with, there's just out and out blatant lies and expected to be no comeback or questioning.

It's really unclear why this should be a difficult concept to grasp at a Pride march.

the only people at the march who appeared to be saying who can be a lesbian seemed to be the female protestors. ‘Lesbians don’t have penis’ etc... no one else appeared to say at all what lesbians can be or who they should sleep with?

Hard to tell since the video doesn’t show it!

You had an eyewitness account.

It's really not hard to understand if you try to be a little tolerant of views that differ from your own

And lesbians can cope just fine.

Silly lesbians. They should really try and be a bit more tolerant of unreality so that some men are validated and can pressure them for sex.

Put it this way, early, if men did not need the validation and were not interested in pressuring lesbians for sex, they wouldn't give a monkeys that lesbians are maintaining their sexual boundaries.

It's very important to anti women activists to support the removal of women's sexual boundaries.

You crack on.

why say it like it's the entire community?

The problem is not individual trans people, who have a wide range of views and usually don't carry barbed wire or base ball bats.

The problem is 'TWAW' ideology, and by extension the idea that a lesbian is somebody who identifies as female regardless of their male anatomy.

Yeah, this.

For the record. UK Equality Act 2010 is very clear about who is a lesbian.

A lesbian is a woman:

[from Explanatory Notes]:

Section 12: Sexual orientation

Effect

55. This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

56. It also explains that references to people sharing a sexual orientation mean that they are of the same sexual orientation.

Background

57. The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples

A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/9

And if you want evidence of extremism becoming normalised

I'm not disputing it's becoming more normalised.

It seems you think it's only coming one way though.
It's not.

The protesters didn’t tell anyone who to sleep with. People can sleep with any consenting adult they want.

The protesters said “lesbians don’t have penises.” Why can’t others tolerant this belief?

Put it this way, early, if men did not need the validation and were not interested in pressuring lesbians for sex, they wouldn't give a monkeys that lesbians are maintaining their sexual boundaries.

This just about nails it.

The debate is ended from hereon.

Please do pull up the death/rape threats/offensive weapons/likes for tweets and social media threatening violence and baying mobs surrounding AWAs committed by GC women and I'll gladly recant. I think you'll struggle to find anything worse than GC women getting a bit cross.

I could pull dozens of examples against GC women in seconds. Videos, tweets, FB posts, articles, photographs....

debate is ended from hereon

Well, that's us told.
No debate
Shut up
The End?

Something like that?

You had an eyewitness account.

They didn’t say they were an eyewitness. None the less they changed their story. One minute they were blocking banners, the next they hadn’t even unpacked banners

They didn’t say they were an eyewitness. None the less they changed their story. One minute they were blocking banners, the next they hadn’t even unpacked banners hmm

Exactly which is it then

Put it this way, early, if men did not need the validation and were not interested in pressuring lesbians for sex, they wouldn't give a monkeys that lesbians are maintaining their sexual boundaries.

I didn’t see any men tell lesbians they can’t have sexual boundaries. In fact the only people I have ever seen telling lesbians who they are must/must not sleep with, appear to be feminists. Not saying it doesn’t happen, because of course it must have but interesting none the less.

jacky this isn’t the first time you’ve tried to shut down all discussion with ‘the end’ type of stuff. Leave if you’re finished, you don’t get to tell the other woman here that they can no longer participate.

Anyway you cut it up, 120 men screaming at lesbians for excluding men from their dating pool is a dreadful look for Pride. Little wonder the damage limitation is getting desperate.

How is it ever going to work out? Homosexuality is transphobic. Whoever you ask, which ever way you frame it, it is.

All we need to do is keep asking. Because the silence is deafening.

And it will incriminate.

Thanks to the AWAs on this thread. Sterling job. We all keep asking, and your answers speak volumes.

the only people at the march who appeared to be saying who can be a lesbian seemed to be the female protestors.

That doesn't make sense - did you expect the people who believe that 'lesbian' refers to gender identity to say that biological females in a relationship with another biological female aren't lesbians?

I think bespin posted earlier an example of Posie Parker saying she hopes hormone treatment results in death.

But it’s pointless to engage in the whole ‘he said, she said’ crap, there’s arseholes on both sides.

No one has told you to shut up.

But your debate is flawed.

Because you keep posting information that is factually wrong

The protesters were not protesting against trans women

A biological Male can not be a lesbian. Neither can a woman who is sleeping with a biological Male. No gives a shit who dates who. But that doesnt change factual information.

They are the facts.

I didn’t see any men tell lesbians they can’t have sexual boundaries.

And you won't see anyone actually throwing immigrants into detention centres at a Trump Rally.

the only people at the march who appeared to be saying who can be a lesbian seemed to be the female protestors. ‘Lesbians don’t have penis’ etc... no one else appeared to say at all what lesbians can be or who they should sleep with?

You really are stuck on this aren't you?

The Law states clearly the definition of a lesbian, the law states clearly the definition of a same sex relationship, the law states clearly what homosexuality is, the law states clearly what a lesbian is and who can claim to be one. The lesbians protesting are reciting the law. The law set up to safeguard and protect lesbians is absolutely explicit, women who have sex with men are NOT lesbians.

Why are you so determined to remove this legal safeguard from homosexual women? Why are you so determined to pander to men who feel like women and believe their penis is a female sexual organ?