Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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jessica you’ve said I’m the worst for lesbophobic behaviour. That is a huge accusation, so I will not drop it until you respond with proof of all of my lesbophobic behaviour.

When there's a pile on of when there's only you as a lone voice (sometimes two) of lots of different posters trying to smear and discredit you and your opinion in what seems like a desperate attempt to shut you up as you haven't just gone away?

Just like the small group of protesters were treated at pride. Small group rounded on by a larger group who just wanted them to ho away.

Why are you mobile for not going away, but the protesters wrong for protesting at all?

Ffs Noble not mobile

It's good to see that you have changed your mind and see that as bullying behaviour from the TRAs at pride against the group of protesters Glad we got there

Twisty twist and a wilfully obtuse misunderstanding to boot.
OK.

That is not how safeguarding works - as you've been told repeatedly. At an event billed as 'family friendly' the onus is 100% on the event organisers to ensure safeguarding is put in place for any children or vulnerable adults attending. It is not down to the parents to check whether there will be men dressed as 'pups' in a tent set up with a ball pit, enticing children to 'come and play with the pups' while a man is photographed next to them with an erection.

This is not under question. There is no minimising this. There is no questioning this. You either agree that it should not have happened and is the fault of the organisers or you don't. There is no either/or situation where there is a danger of children being sexually exploited (physically or not).

Own which side you are on and stop making excuses.

I’ve never said the protestors were wrong for protesting, we’ve said they were brave and that others have the right to protest back.

You are the ones saying the pile on with the majority going against them was so wrong. Yet now when you’re doing it to us, that’s acceptable?

I’ve said when there’s a minority view, it will feel intimidating when people disagree and respected that but that both sides had a right to free speech.

If anyone Attacked the people personally, I would’ve said that was very wrong.

Here you go early Plenty of lesbians are open to dating trans woman, as is evident by their signs and protests.

"I think plenty of gay men are open to dating women."

The first is lesphobic, the second is homophobic.

I admitted this man may be a pedophile, I said that I don’t think pride was for kids and that I don’t agree with fetish tents at pride.

Prode organisers do. So therefore pride associates and endorses paedophiles. Because they have managed to convince people they come under the queer umbrella. Pride organisers are not the whole of the LGBTQ community. But they are influential people and that a problem.

You cant say LGBTQ have spent years distancing themseleves from paedophiles, while the organisers of their biggest events are including them.

I pointed out that we didn’t know if children were told to go in there or if pedophiles were enticing children and this was being accepted.

It's the organisers legal obligation to not have children anywhere near this or at risk of being involved in sexual games. And the people who are running the tent as well.

It doesn’t sound like the intention was for children to be there which is why I talked about parents safeguarding children.

Families are welcomed at pride. And having attended Leeds pride and can tell you, no effort is made to make families aware that the tents or parade are not familie friendly.

Yes of course kids shouldn’t be near fetishes I’ve said that over and over

I have asked where it stated the tent was family friendly as this is what it boils down too.

If there were specific areas for children and the parents took their kids over to somewhere not family friendly, that is the parents safeguarding issue.

If the tent was marketed as family friendly, that is the organisers safeguarding issue.

Is the argument now that what's happening here (people arguing online) is the same as what happened at Pride?

Fuck off with that - there are not 120 of us. We're not physically intimidating anyone. We're not a group of men surrounding a small group of women and intimidating them with our size and being aggressive.

Apples and oranges. And you have the nerve to say we see those lesbians as 'poor little victims'. I see you.

Oh datun you are clutching at straws, love.

Twisty twistanda wilfully obtuse misunderstanding to boot.

You described what happened to you, here as bullying.

And you description of what happened to you here was very much like what happend to protesters.

How is one bullying and the other simply protesting against a protest?

How so, Roses.
People are asserting facts - you may not agree with them - that's up to you - but you seem to be annoyed that we are not changing facts to suit your opinions.

I have asked where it stated the tent wasfamily friendlyas this is what it boils down too.
The whole event is family friendly.

And at no point are people with children advised to not go to the parade or to the tents.

That the organisers job as part of safe guarding.

Most people would ne expect to see fet play going on in public in the middle of the afternoon. Why would they?

@RosesAndRaindrops you posted the below and claimed it was bullying

What do you call it when you're tried to be hounded off the board for differing opinions?That you're sat there with hard ons? That you're a man? When there's a pile on of when there's only you as a lone voice (sometimes two) of lots of different posters trying to smear and discredit you and your opinion in what seems like a desperate attempt to shut you up as you haven't just gone away? Why not just engage without the personal bollocks?

How is this so different to what happened to the protesters in Leeds?

Why is it bullying on here? But not at pride?

*I have asked where it stated the tent was family friendly as this is what it boils down too.

If there were specific areas for children and the parents took their kids over to somewhere not family friendly, that is the parents safeguarding issue.*

No. You don't understand safeguarding. It is down to the organisers to ensure that no such thing will be happening at Pride at all. It shouldn't be there for families to stumble over in the first place.

And the picture clearly shows that the tent was set up with the intention of enticing children. The Twitter feed of the Pups also demonstrates this.

Every time you tweet and make more excuses about parents being responsible for safeguarding at a family event you show a) you don't know the law and b) where your loyalties lie.

If you can't/won't outright say 'this was clear paedophilic behaviour' then you are a massive red flag.

Oh datun you are clutching at straws, love.

You are saying that women who date men is a lesbian relationship.

No it isn't. And it's really rather the crux of the matter, rather than 'clutching at straws'.

How is one bullying and the other simply protesting against a protest?

I know what the difference is!
Here - nobody needs to be fearful of being beaten up or raped with a barbed wire baseball bat.
Hopefully not doxxed either.

Most people would ne expect to see fet play going on in public in the middle of the afternoon. Why would they?

Not usually, I'd wager. Although does seem to be becoming a theme for Pride.... there was that resounding chant of "I'd rather be a pervert than a terf" after all.

So- Perverts -in. Lesbians upholding their rights to same sex relationships, their sexual orientation -out.

You are saying that women who date men is a lesbian relationship.

I believe the post you quoted said: plenty of lesbians are open to dating trans woman as is evident by their signs

Is it lesbophobic to suggest lesbians should have an opinion on who they date? Because to me, it seems lesbophobic to suggest the opposite.

I wonder when they'll have a 'dogging' float?

If nothing else we've discovered that people would rather spend their time defending men with visible erections playing with children than defending a lesbian's right to protest her sexuality at Pride.

Earlywalker
But they're not lesbians if they date men. Come on now.

MsMcWibble yes. In real life it's so much worse especially for women

I just dont understand how roses think what happened in leeds was fine, but people here are bullying her.

@zebrasdontwearbras exactly. So many family will have been in leeds shopping as well. I dknt know what it's like elsewhere but pride is on the very edge of the main area in the city centre. Lots of people wondering round the city centre, away from pride, in their outfits. Including people in fetish gear.

How do those parents stop their kids seeing it? Or should it be that children and families are completely banned from the city centre on pride day so that people can engage in fet play. Not for the day community. But for the people who want to publicly play out their fetish?

*Every time you post and make more excuses about parents being responsible for safeguarding at a family event you show a) you don't know the law and b) where your loyalties lie.

If you can't/won't outright say 'this was clear paedophilic behaviour' then you are a massive red flag.*

I'd like a response to this, please Early