Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[CaptainKirksSpookyghost]

Thread 2

Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3656142-Shocking-behaviour-towards-lesbians-at-Leeds-pride-today

Well said wish. The lesbians did not ask the police to remove the trans/allies. Nor surround them, yelling. Nor call them a slur.

The group wasn’t “trans exclusionary”, one of them was trans (now desisting).

Lesbians are exclusive Roses. That's what makes them lesbians.

I am also exclusive, I am not sexually attracted to women. That makes me heterosexual. I don’t need to defend that word in the same way lesbians do though, obviously. I commend them for standing against those in their community who are rewriting what it means to be lesbian.

Roses have you ever seen anything at any Pride, or mentioned in the previous thread, which gave you pause re child safeguarding? If so, can you say what?

Why am I still getting repeatedly asked this?
Yes you've missed it. I've answered.
No I'm not trawling to link.
As people like to say to me, do your own research, don't be lazy

It’s actually funny that you are insuinuating we don’t answer any questions yet have blatantly ignored all things most of us have said!

• How can this be a lesbian attack when thousands of lesbians were welcomed and only 10 were told to leave?
• Why is it ok for people to protest against trans ideology, but not for people to protest against those who protest against them?
• How is saying lesbians who see TW as woman as not real lesbians, any better than saying lesbians who don’t include TW as W are bigots?
• Why does the fact that trans lesbians aren’t included in the equality act keep getting mentioned? How does this change anything?

R.e the fetish float, personally I don’t agree with fetish stuff at pride as i see pride as an LGBT thing but if they’re not harming anyone, or encouraging non-consensual activity I couldn’t really care less.

I don’t see pride as a child-friendly event and wouldn’t bring my children. It’s up to individual parents what they do and it is there job to safeguard their own children at a public event.

wish My point was the female protestors shouted ‘out of pride’ at the float, they don’t think it should be there. Which is fine and I understand why and think they have an absolute right to express their opinion. But trans supporters didn’t think anti trans ideology messages should be there either and they had a right to protest back.

My biggest issue was with people insinuating that the float was a pedophile float and people were saying ‘stay in pride’ at this and also that there were open pedophiles accepted at Leeds pride. There is no basis for either and it is completely untrue, which to me felt like a deliberate attempt to smear LGBT as pedophile enablers.

After all, why would you lie about something like this? What possible reason would someone have to push a narrative that LGBT people embraced pedophiles when there’s no evidence at all for this?

Some quotes from previous thread, keep in mind that there is absolutely zero evidence that any pedophiles or ‘MAPS’ attended Leeds pride let alone were accepted and they definitely didn’t have a float. Maybe here you’ll see why it appears some people hope to bring LGBT back 50 years and make the LGBT community out to be pedophile enablers:

Datun - Lol. When you see puppy fetishists with erections playing with kids at pride, it's a little difficult to take that statement [that pride doesn’t embrace pedophiles] seriously

FormerMediocreMale - displaying fetishes in public in front of children is reducing boundaries and enabling paedophiles

Floralbunting - Pedophiles. Who you might hope get shouted away from pride. But no, just lesbians (no evidence)

2BeThatUnnoticed - ”MAPS” and no one objected. But a few peaceful woman were abused and intimidated? (no evidence)

NotTonightJosepheen - Any perve, kink-monger, fetishist and weirdo has found both a hiding place and a platform

ZebrasDontWearBras - Paedophiles were operating openly there - recognising each other by T shirts (no evidence)

FormerMedicoreMale- For any lurkers that are unfamiliar, the MAP float was a paedophile float, Minor Attracted Person (not true)

JackyHolyoake- This was the MAP [paedophile] float if I recall correctly. (not true)

Datun Paedophile float (not true)

2bethatunnoticed there is also footage of pedos marching - whom the shouty ones were fine with (not true)

Bespin - are you okay? You seem to be both agitated and excited on this thread. I'm concerned.

Oh spartacus it’s bad enough some of you think that trans people all get hard ons just by getting dressed in the morning, now you’re trying to imply we’re jacking one out while writing on MN? Some of you have wild imaginations i’ll Give you that.

Eh? So why (in part 1 thread especially!) was it said as fact that Pride welcomed MAP and they even had their own float and lots agreed before someone questioned and it turned out they didn't at all?

So yesterday it was 4 posters, then 5, now lots?

I asked for clarification and was told I was also saying it was MAP its wasnt.

And again you wont answer.

what do you call people who engage children in their fetish games for sexual kicks?

You definitely havent answered that.

Roses, you've stated before that you believe people cannot change their sex - so why would you think that female homosexuals, as a group, can include biological males?

Why is the trans movement saying lesbians should not be exclusive?

Here's a struggle-come-denunciation session from an earlier iteration of authoritarian ideology. I do wonder about those who don't see a difference.

Early, I provided evidence of paedophiles opening operating at Pride - recognising each other by their T shirts.

You seem to think that because it was a different Pride parade, it doesn't count.

Paedophiles openly operate at Pride, on Twitter and on You Tube. They are aligning themselves with the LGBTQ - and we ignore this at our peril.

There is no basis for either and it is completely untrue, which to me felt like a deliberate attempt to smear LGBT as pedophile enablers

Definitely did come across like that, and seeing it all laid out like that in quotes - wow.
Yes even more so when all together like that!

I don’t see pride as a child-friendly event and wouldn’t bring my children.

Unfortunately, Early, Pride does see it as an event where you can bring children, and many do.

Roses, you've stated before that you believe people cannot change their sex - so why would you think that female homosexuals, as a group, can include biological males?

Did you miss where I posted about consent?
Nobody is forced to sleep with anyone.
There's laws against forcing people.

One video of a guy in Berlin with 40 followers, his face blocked out and an unknown to most people FBI symbol on his t-shirt is not proof of MAPs openly attending and more importantly being accepted at pride.

He was posted about 4 times on the other thread as ‘proof’ of this accusation.

Because I like to give posters the benefit of the doubt, probably for longer than I should. And in case it is useful for others.

How can this be a lesbian attack when thousands of lesbians were welcomed and only 10 were told to leave?

Because it was an attack on lesbians who wont agree to their rights being eroded. They are lesbians who are concerned for their own rights. Saying 'lesbians welcomed but only if they agree to xyz' isnt welcoming lesbians.

Why is it ok for people to protest against trans ideology, but not for people to protest against those who protest against them?

Because they didnr just protest against them. They tried to have them removed as a hate group, tries to intimidate them, surrounded them and hurled insults. Non of with the protesters did. Bo one said they had to agree. But what they did was intimidation not protest.

How is saying lesbians who see TW as woman as not real lesbians, any better than saying lesbians who don’t include TW as W are bigots?

Because biological Males can not be female and so can not be lesbians. If you are a lesbian in a relationship with a biological male, you are in a hero relationship. You are not a lesbian, you are bi. Why so many wome dont want to accept they are bi, is beyond me. What's wrong with being bi. Why are they so desperate to keep a label that no longer fits them?

Why does the fact that trans lesbians aren’t included in the equality act keep getting mentioned? How does this change anything?

Because the law has a definition of lesbian. And its doesnr include biological males.

Words and definitions are important.

There I have answered them.

Maybe you would so good to answer other people.

Early, I provided evidence of paedophiles opening operating at Pride - recognising each other by their T shirts.

A couple of people in Berlin on Twitter if I remember correctly.
Not even in the UK or any evidence of any paedophiles at the UK ones at all.
Didn't stop people saying it as fact like "bound to be over here too.)

Cross posted EarkyWalker

R.e the fetish float, personally I don’t agree with fetish stuff at pride as i see pride as an LGBT thingbutif they’re not harming anyone, or encouraging non-consensual activity I couldn’t really care less.

By being there they are engaging the public, including children in their play. That's non consensual. That should concern you.

I don’t see pride as a child-friendly event and wouldn’t bring my children. It’s up to individual parents what they do and it is there job to safeguard their own children at a public event.

Its billed as a family event. So families should be excluded so people who have managed to wrangle their way into LGBTQ under false pretenses can act out their fetish fantasies in public?

What about when they were just wondering round the town centre in Sunday. In front of families just doing a bit of shopping? Those parents didnt take their kids to pride.

The fact that sexual games are now part of pride and welcomed more than lesbians who wont roll over and accept that biological men can be lesbians, is a disgrace.

Oh spartacus it’s bad enough some of you think that trans people all get hard ons just by getting dressed in the morning, now you’re trying to imply we’re jacking one out while writing on MN? Some of you have wild imaginations i’ll Give you that.

I didn't know you were trans, early? I thought you said you weren't.

Those pesky Freudian slips, eh?

Roses, that really isn't an answer. Female homosexuality is exclusive of males - all males, regardless of how they identify.

Those women were abused for asserting this. Why do you think that's remotely acceptable?

Saying 'lesbians welcomed but only if they agree to xyz' isnt welcoming lesbians.
No - it sounds exactly like men telling women what they can do, as usual.

i noticed that, too, datun. i thought early had specified elsewhere that they were not trans.

to be clear: it does not particularly matter to me, other than i have the vague sense that early hasn’t been truthful about this. if it is true, it makes it much easier to understand where early is coming from. if not, then no matter.

I'm happy to "smear" any organisation, including Pride, that does not have clear safeguarding procedures. For example, allowing an age play fetish such as pup, to invite children into its stands and tents. If that's "smearing", watch me "smear" all fucking day every fucking day. You've got a problem with that? Fine. I'll note the red flag.

Pride has always had some element of fetish. Back in the day, it was carefully separated from any family element. For example, leathermen at one end of the parade, youth orgs far away at the other.