Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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Previous thread here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3656142-Shocking-behaviour-towards-lesbians-at-Leeds-pride-today

Well, that certainly explains a lot, datun.

wish what questions have I not answered?

zebra if people want to take their kids to pride, then it’s their job to safeguard them and their decision as the parent. I’m not prudish in the slightest but if I saw a pup play tent and my kids asked to stroke the dogs (which they do whenever they see dogs), I would say no because a fetish tent is not somewhere I’d want my young kids to be. It’s my responsibility as their mother to keep them safe when they are in my care.

datun I’m not trans, everyone here always says I’m a man though anyway. I’ve been told I’m knocking one out on the keyboard many times by you lovely woman.

Because it was an attack on lesbians who wont agree to their rights being eroded. They are lesbians who are concerned for their own rights. Saying 'lesbians welcomed but only if they agree to xyz' isnt welcoming lesbians

There could’ve been hundreds of woman who didn’t agree to xyz, they just didn’t try and protest the T at pride which is also a place designed for T to be proud of who they are as well as LGB, That is the issue.

Because they didnr just protest against them. They tried to have them removed as a hate group, tries to intimidate them, surrounded them and hurled insults. Non of with the protesters did. Bo one said they had to agree. But what they did was intimidation not protest

If people found what they were doing hateful, I can understand not wanting them there. The woman wanted the fetish float out of pride too? They shouldn’t have intimidated them if that happened but I think it’s always going to appear intimidating when there is such a small group to such a huge group. They shouted over the woman, they tried to block their protest as they felt ‘trans rights were under attack’. I haven’t seen any violence and so respect their right to assert their opinions. Maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree on this.

biological Males can not be female and so can not be lesbians. If you are a lesbian in a relationship with a biological male, you are in a hero relationship. You are not a lesbian, you are bi. Why so many wome dont want to accept they are bi, is beyond me. What's wrong with being bi. Why are they so desperate to keep a label that no longer fits them?

I agree that I don’t believe humans can change sex. However, what you class as a woman for your own personal relationship purposes is not up to anyone else to decide. Trying to tell lesbians who they can and can’t sleep with as lesbians is wrong on both sides.

what questions have I not answered?

What do you call a person who engages children in their sexual games?

You havent answered that, at all, ever.

zebra if people want to take their kids to pride, then it’s their job to safeguard them and their decision as the parent.

You've got it the wrong way round. If Pride advertises itself as a family friendly event that kids are welcome at, the onus is on Pride to provide a safe environment for children.

Pride needs to decide what it is - family friendly, or adult sex fetish friendly.

Um..... it's Spartacus that was implying "men" - Early was just responding to that lol.
Are people really this incapable of actually reading what's there?
How the eff does brain jump to Early means she's trans FFS lol

Well, that certainly explains a lot, datun.

Yes, I don't think anyone is remotely surprised.

Nor about the lying.

And of course it does make the sentiment behind each and every post startlingly clear.

And the language. The othering. Not understanding what women mean. The outrage over being thought of male.

It is sooo hard to tell someone's sex on here!

Trying to tell lesbians who they can and can’t sleep with as lesbians is wrong on both sides.

No one is telling lesbians who they can sleep with. What they are saying, is that if you sleep with biological male, you no longer for the definition of lesbian.

If you wre a biological Male, you will never be a lesbian

And why do these women and men want the label of lesbian so badly,? Why cant they accept that they are bi?
And why does their desire to keep in incorrect label become more important?

Also explains why I don't tend to read early posts. Tedium sets in long before I reach the end of the first paragraph.

Early, you wrote this: Oh spartacus it’s bad enough some of you think that trans people all get hard ons just by getting dressed in the morning, now you’re trying to imply we’re jacking one out while writing on MN?

If I was answering this, I wouldn't have said "we" unless I was a trans person.

I also never hear women talking about "jacking one out" when talking about themselves. "Jacking one out" would refer to males masturbating.

datun I’m not trans, everyone here always says I’m a man though anyway. I’ve been told I’m knocking one out on the keyboard many times by you lovely woman.

Well since you mistakenly acknowledged that you are, I'm afraid denial is little useless now. Might as well own it.

And the language. The othering. Not understanding what women mean. The outrage over being thought of male

Nobody's "outraged at being thought of as male."
It's the insinuation behind it. That we have a different opinion so let's insinuate they're males with hard ons to discredit them.
I mean WTF.

Oh spartacus it’s bad enough some of you think that trans people all get hard ons just by getting dressed in the morning, now you’re trying to imply we’re jacking one out while writing on MN? Some of you have wild imaginations i’ll Give you that

This is what early said.

See the reference to trans and then 'we're' . Why would that poster say 'we're' if they arent trans?

Jacking one out.

Very ladylike.

Early

RTFT mate - I corrected the wrong information I added and apologised. It was my fault - I assumed it was Leeds due to the timing, in fact it was 21 July.

Every single organisation needs to be aware of child safeguarding, LGBT orgs included. The Church, for example, has one of the worst records in this area - and I’m Catholic, from a devout family.

I’m not offended if people talk about safeguarding in the Church. It’s not personal, every institution involving kids needs to be aware of this.

Discussing safeguarding in the Church is not a personal attack in me, just as discussing safeguarding in LGBT is not a personal attack in you.

Most posters here (not all) are mothers. We care about child safeguarding. Get over it.

But Roses - they just admitted it! Not the hard on...

Well since you mistakenly acknowledged that you are, I'm afraid denial is little useless now. Might as well own it

No, that was Spartacus implying.
Do you just not want people to call out the blatant smearing and name calling?
Ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen?
Because yeah but no. Maybe some do get upset and feel hounded off, but not everyone does.

Is pride actually marketed as family friendly? (Genuine question)

I have seen some prides have certain sections marketed as family friendly tents etc but where does it say the parades etc are family friendly?

What do you call a person who engages children in their sexual games?
Someone who wants to be sexual with children? Obviously a pedophile? But you are trying to imply that these people invited kids in to feel sexual when all you have is one image. These people in their own fetish tent may well have been engaging in sexual games, then some children walked past and came in to stroke the dogs and BAM pedo! I don’t know what happened, neither do you.

I don’t think one picture of someone ‘excited’ in a fetish tent while kids stroke the dogs without context is indicative of pride being pedo friendly though.

The man in question may we’ll have been, I don’t know.

It's something I see often - some transwomen identify as women, and yet argue against women's rights. Because women's rights tends to exclude males. As does lesbianism.

Women saying NO to males can have a profound effect - it often manifests in aggression, such as we saw at this Pride March, against a small group of lesbians saying NO to males, or as described on this thread, being exclusive.

But Roses - they just admitted it!

Spartacus implied that we're sat here with hard ons.
You expect Early to just let that one slide, ignore?
Then apparently it's US derailing.
Keep getting dragged back into this kind of shit.

Lol did you not read the bit where I said spartacus had a ‘wild imagination* ?

I don’t care if you think I’m a man or trans anyway, I’m not that insecure and your petty attempts to silence me are not going to work.

Anyway back to the list of infiltrators.

"Except of course, us talking relentlessly about maps, nomaps Yaniv, Bradley and their incest rape, Fae and campaign to lower the age of extreme porn participants, the other Faye saying suck dick, get tits early, drag queen storytime, Desmond is amazing, Lactatia, the sweets and puppies at pride, promoted by mermaids, the furries, bronys, nappy fetishists and incarcerated rapers of children."

I think I'll just keep adding to this list.

Amy Challoner, engaged to a self-confessed paedophile.

Jonathan Yaniv, tampon fetish wrt 10-year-olds.

David Thomas, mainstream media, salivating over his pre pubescent girl breasts.

The NSPCC not seeing anything wrong with Bergdorf encouraging minors to contact them privately online.

The NSPCC not seeing anything wrong with a rubber clad perv wanking in their office.

And I'm adding

McKinnon encouraging children to contact them and join their glitter family.

Ada Wells telling children that puberty is optional and they should go on puberty blockers.

Peter Tachell and his nine year olds can enjoy Sex.

Him and Stephen Fry wanting to give masterbation lessons to children.

My, my bespin is going to have a busy afternoon denouncing that lot. And closing the loopholes that they claim they want to close.

hese people in their own fetish tent may well have been engaging in sexual games, then some children walked past and came in to stroke the dogs and BAM pedo! I don’t know what happened, neither do you.

Why is there even an opportunity for children to do this?
Safeguarding should be in place to stop it.

Do you really not understand this basic concept, children shouldn't be able to even get near to adults doing sexual activities let alone stroke them?

Et tu, Roses ?

You just said "we" as well.

RosesAndRaindrops why are you so sure Early isnt trans? Despite using 'we'when talking about how mners (apparantly) see trans people?

Is pride actually marketed as family friendly?

Yes. I live in leeds. The local news was even interviewing kids at the parade and parents talking about how great it is. Tbe organisers were also interviewed who said it was great for the family.

No 'but the parade' isnt.

Interestingly the news interviews Male parents, a male gay couple, a male single interviewee, a female child and the only adult female to be interviewed was an organiser.

No adult female were interviewed about how great it was.