Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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yep them good old days when there were no issues in the lesbian community, and yes I know one person does not represent a community unlike people on here.

www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/95769958-f129-416c-9610-c8f96504ce77

Are you trying to deflect again?

The loop hole should be there at all.

Prisons are sex segregated. Not gender segregated.

KW shouldnt have been there in the first place.

But womens rights are being eroded and are being told that biological men have a right to be in the female space.

It's all part of the same problem.

I dont know anyone who has a problem with a biological Male simply dressing as a woman. Their problem is with the impact on females.

Really bespin? You're going down the WDIT route when people are talking about the erasure lesbian culture. Okaaay.

right the real world calls, have a lovely day ladies. I'm sure someone will be around in a bit to carry on the "debate".

@bespin why do you keep pushing this agenda that anyone here thinks that lesbians are never wrong and always do the right thing and that the lesbian community doesnt have issues.

Right now we are talking about this issue. It doesnt mea we all believe thos is and has only ever been the issue.

Yes Bespin, Bye.
Our questions will still be here when you get back.

yes I know one person does not represent a community unlike people on here

odd, then, that you would choose to slur a group of lesbians by the activity of one woman, then.

cracking work, this morning, bespin, absolutely cracking.

I’m at work now, so will also be signing off for now.

Fact is the trans movement is erasing ALL female spaces. Males who claim to be women have infiltrated female spaces in all areas, and at every level.

Lesbian sexuality is, by it's very definition, a female space. But the trans movement is not allowing that - oh no, the trans movement says men can be lesbians now. Female same-sex sexuality = erased.

Some gay men, like James Dreyfus, and Jonny Best, have woken up to this, can see the threat to same sex sexuality. Sadly so many others others haven't - and will just enjoy bellowing 'TERFs out' at any passing lesbian standing up for right to be a lesbian at a Pride parade.

Those denying any links to paedophiles might want to look into Andrew Moffat and his queering the classroom bullshit.

That does not mean all LGBT people have paedo links. What it means is some sick bastard has got away with regulatory capture to get queer theory into primary schools. Groups like Mermaids, GI, Allsorts are telling primary school children that boundaries are bullshit - who does that help, what kind of people want confused children without boundaries - fucking paedos thats who!

So if others in the community dont want to be associated with destroying boundaries and queering children start calling it out. TRAs on here arent though are they. Plenty of lesbians on MN are and highlighting it and in IRL too. Lesbians saw it first and started shouting no, now more and more people are seeing it and shouting No.

This is the reality of what happened at Leeds Pride. A group, including an awful lot of (non-trans) men jeering at lesbians.

In most reasonable circles, this would rightfully be called what it is - homophobia.

But no - instead groups of men are jumping on the bandwagon to abuse women for not liking penis. Lesbians abused for not wanting to sleep with males is not a new thing, but there's a nice new excuse to abuse them now, by calling them terfs..

@FormerMediocreMale has it spot on

Sick people have managed to convince enough people that they are Queer and so part of the LGBTQ community.

That doesnt mean everyone from the LGBTQ community has links or agrees with paedophilia.

But they are using the Lbgtq community to be protected AND come out and be proud of it. Then claiming discrimination by shouting they are queer and its anti gay to not be ok with them.

Engaging in sexual games in public, with children is not ok. But lots of them have managed to do it with the protection of Pride and lots of the LGBTQ community. More of the community feel they cant speak up against, because look what happens. You are told you arent welcome in your own community.

No one would be om with a man dressed ina Gimp mask being paraded around a park on a sunday afternoon in front of families. No one would be ok with them engaging in fetish play in a city centre on a sunday afternoon. But its ok if its pride.

This is a serious issue that needs looking at.

I completely stand behind the protesters. Especially the issue of them shouting that the fetish float has no place in pride.

I cant believe anyone would find this wrong, unless they have another agenda. Either they support fet play at pride, or they dont want to start going down the route of recognising that fetish is not sexual orientation and discussing what the impacts of including it, are. Or recognise it's a massive safe guarding issue.

This is the reality of what happened at Leeds Pride. A group, including an awful lot of (non-trans) men jeering at lesbians.

I don't get what people aren't getting about this - it's nothing to do with the fact they're lesbians.
It's the fact that some protesters who happen to be lesbian were being exclusive and protesting against trans people.
At an LGBT parade (however much anyone thinks the T should bog off, it's still there.
No-one should be forcing anyone to have sex.
You accept who you accept. Consent and all that.
Anyone who does force someone else is completely wrong.

Top bit's a bold as was a quote

Lesbians are exclusive Roses. That's what makes them lesbians.
It's homophobia. Nothing less.

@RosesAndRaindrops

As you say it's an LBGT event.

No one said trans people had no place there or should go away. They said the people who were there to engage in fetish play should go away.

Lesbians who are concerned their rights are being eroded, were there. At pride, protesting for their own rights. Not telling trans they have no rights.

You are saying that lesbians are only welcome if they accept trans ideology unquestioningly.

That's not ok and that's not what pride is about.

It was the trans allies who tries to remove the lesbians. At no point did the protesters say trans people had no place there.

Roses you’re back, has anything mentioned on these threads ever given you pause re child safeguarding...?

It was everything to do with them being lesbians . Now I’ve heard it all.

I think Aimee needs our support and our compassion I can only imagine what it was like to grow up in that environment. I don't blame her for that and her wanting to help people, but I hope she is able to help herself first.

Aimee wants to help people? People like their self-confessed paedophile partner? That's worrying isn't it.

Sick people have managed to convince enough people that they are Queer and so part of the LGBTQ community.

Yes. It's an absolute master-stroke.

Because by aligning themselves with the "latest" civil rights movement (remember, PIE made quite some headway with this tactic in the 70s) they then get to accuse anyone drawing attention to it of "accusing all lgbt people of being child abusers" - Well, no, we're accusing child abusers of being child abusers and trying to normalise paedophilia by jumping on any civil rights movement that is going on. The latest is calling themselves MAPs, identifying as "Queer" and therefore should be part of the LBGTQ+.

I think Stonewall will have to rethink their "acceptance without exception" motto soon.

really the sooner you drop posie from this the better it will be for all of us. People. you want to listen to you might if you stop supporting people like her.

Hilarious. Better for all of us? Who exactly? Certainly not women, not lesbians.

So you'll listen If we denounce Posie? Course you will, Malcolm.

Disarm, then we'll talk. lol.

About you first?

How about you denounce Jane Faye, Shon, Bergdorf, Yaniv, White, Challoner, Bradley, Challoners fiance, father, McKinnon and their glitter family, Ada wells promoting
blockers to kids, the pup play at pride and any and all fetishism at pride.

Off you go bespin.

You might find people are more willing to listen to what you say. It's in your own interests. Get rid of the loopholes.

And best list them, as you go, so we know you really mean it. That when you denounce, you're genuine. Spit spot.

It's the fact that some protesters who happen to be lesbian were being exclusive and protesting against trans people.

Lesbians are defending their sexuality, which is important. I find the lesbophobic nature of some posters here to be utterly disgusting and I totally object to @MNHQ allowing a debate about homosexuality to continue.

Men cannot be lesbians, regardless of their identity. I’m horrified at certain posters here. You should be ashamed of your lesbophobia.

lesbian were being exclusive

Lesbianism is exclusive. Exclusively female homosexuals. That's what a sexual orientation is.

Hang on a minute, this is nothing to do with "lgbt embracing paedophilia

Eh? So why (in part 1 thread especially!) was it said as fact that Pride welcomed MAP and they even had their own float and lots agreed before someone questioned and it turned out they didn't at all?