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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

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JanesKettle · 07/08/2019 08:36

Bespin, why are you even on a women's rights board ? You appear to have zero ability to empathise or prioritise the rights on women.

JanesKettle · 07/08/2019 08:36

of not on

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 08:36

really the sooner you drop posie from this the better it will be for all of us. People. you want to listen to you might if you stop supporting people like her.

You brought posie into this.

FWIW, I dont agree with Posie on 100% of things. Theres loads of gender critical people I dont agree with.

However you said that those protestors probably wanted you dead, because of something pisie put on facebook.

You only want people to drop it because you have decided to not stand by that statement.

All transgender people do not speak for you? Karen White speak for you?

All GC people do not speak for me.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:37

I think we have now settled on 12, I mean it's not 8 but still 12 is a good number like the idea that 120+ (the other 100s) of people not in the parade who also joined the group.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 08:39

Always the dude in the map shirt was apparently in Berlin, not Leeds.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/08/2019 08:39

By framing it as a personal attack / bigotry / kink shaming - we cannot discuss child safety.

Yes.

I'm no religious denomination. I'm a mother. I'm a teacher. Of children with autism.

And a number of gay men I know and lesbians are distancing themselves from pride. Not because of any of this but because of the way it's become corporate and overly inclusive of a load of guff that's nothing to do with same sex attraction, love and relationships.

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:40

Size again Bespin?
btw - Bespin - you said
Karen White I was saddend too, I hope the guidelines are stronger around this as I don't like people using trans as a loophole just as much as you don't.
So you see that this loophole can be used. Glad to hear it.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:40

Good to hear that you don't agree with her, I'm sure you think what she said is wrong. I didn't say they wanted me dead and again I don't even think posie does shes just someone who like to say hateful things against people.

I would hope no one wants me dead.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:42

yes can totally see that a loophole can be used and I would like to find ways to close it and you know we could work together to do that or we could continue to allow people with extreme views on both sides to run this debate.

Wishihad · 07/08/2019 08:43

Somepne can tell me something is family friendly but ill judge for myself whether its something beneficial to my kids. Its called parental responsibility. Pride isnt something that sneaks quietly into your life or is secretive over what its about. If your child's their the parents have weighed up the risks and benefits of that child being there..

No one has ever advertised Batman as beneficial for your kids. You are making less sense.

Family in leeds on sunday, not even attending pride. Just shopping in their city centre, have people acting out their fetish publically. If you have ever been to pride, it's not just confined to one area. All day there are people from the main area wondering around the city centre.

How would they know, since they werent planning on being part of it, that shopping in the city centre would enter you into some fet play?

Because that's what the fetish is about. They get their kicks from doing it, in public. Involving the public in their sexual games without those peoples consent. Were you just out shopping with your kids and just found yourself watching batman, through no choice of your own.

And yes pride is billed as a family event. I am sure lots of people wint think 'hmm best check theres not going to be people acting out their fetish in public'. They assume that pride is about supporting LBGT.

With Batman, it's a given there will be violence.

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:43

Don't you think it is time Aimee Challoner is dropped.
Created terfblocker - silencing over 50,000 mainly women
Was using her rapist father as an electoral agent
Criticised by Veritas for not understanding safeguarding
Is engaged to an admitted pedophilia and incest fantasist.

SophoclesTheFox · 07/08/2019 08:44

You said they agreed with someone that you say wants you dead.

You can backtrack as much as you like, but it’s right here on the board.

I’m not letting this go because it’s a dreadful and blatant attempt to smear these women with no basis for it. Also, this thread, like the last one is a shit show where it’s apparently ok to get stuck on one single idea of phrase and beat it into the ground, so I’m joining in.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:44

Not because of any of this but because of the way it's become corporate and overly inclusive of a load of guff that's nothing to do with same sex attraction, love and relationships.

This I can totally agree with. our community groups were sandwiched in between massive corporate floats and that is wrong. the community groups should be leading pride.

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/08/2019 08:44

I think we have now settled on 12, I mean it's not 8 but still 12 is a good number like the idea that 120+ (the other 100s) of people not in the parade who also joined the group.

But that's the point you're missing.

Just because 1000 think x doesn't mean that therefore y is nothing to worry about and must be dismissed.

As the article Jacky posted described, many of those 1000 are scared to be on the other side being shouted at and called a bigot. Or haven't quite understood and just accept that if someone says the other is a bigot, then they are. Especially the holy guardian etc.

Within organisations or workplaces where a culture dominates, those who secretly think "this is out of order" are too scared to say anything. It also gets dismissed and overly sensitive. Don't be daft, they don't really mean it.

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:45

How do you suggest we close this loophole Bespin?

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:46

SophoclesTheFox

exellent glad you can join the rest of us in hammering points into the ground, it's the mumsnet way. lol

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:47

Good god, really - that's low -
You said they agreed with someone that you say wants you dead.

You can backtrack as much as you like, but it’s right here on the board.

I’m not letting this go because it’s a dreadful and blatant attempt to smear these women with no basis for it. Also, this thread, like the last one is a shit show where it’s apparently ok to get stuck on one single idea of phrase and beat it into the ground, so I’m joining in.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:49

I think Aimee needs our support and our compassion I can only imagine what it was like to grow up in that environment. I don't blame her for that and her wanting to help people, but I hope she is able to help herself first.

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:52

MsMcWibble

it's ok I didnt say that. but you know facts and all.

I think there is a possible loophole I think prisons highlight it well I think there are ways to close them in a way that shows understanding

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:54

You didn't say what, Bespin?
Aimee should not be in any position of power, do you agree?
What is this way of closing loopholes that shows understanding - to women, not just trans women?

Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:55

sorry missed this one.

Bespin, why are you even on a women's rights board ? You appear to have zero ability to empathise or prioritise the rights on women.

mumsnet tactic number nine why are you eve here?

maybe becuse you are talking about things that effect me. on a thread for an event I was at which very few poster appear to have also been at.

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 08:56

Another question
How does it affect you if women are stating their sexual boundaries?

zebrasdontwearbras · 07/08/2019 08:58

My actual lesbian daughter is away at university, and the 'queer space' which now exists instead of a women's room, is full of male people who make her feel so uncomfortable she never uses it. How progressive.

Hi Janeskettle, this saddens me so much.

I listened to (amazing) lesbians on chairs meeting that was recently held - women's spaces is absolutely my thing, and my biggest problem with the trans movement is the unquestioning infiltration of males into female spaces via the route of self ID.

Sheila Jeffreys spoke passionately about how much lesbian culture has been lost in the past couple of decades, and how young lesbian's spaces have just been eroded away by the trans movement - and it's just so sickening.

The fact that a group of women now can't stand at Pride, and assert their female sexuality without the marchers turning on them, is demonstrative of just how bad this situation has got, and how young lesbian culture has been erased and eaten up by the male dominated trans movement.

Sheila's speech starts at 29:30. Every young lesbian should listen to it.
Bespin · 07/08/2019 08:59

MsMcWibble

I would say that some of amiees actions show she is not able to function in those environments effectively and that she needs support and is beyond discussion on Internet forums. that ripping into her like people do on here shows little or no empathy for what she must have gone through.

the loopholes can be closed but it depends what you define as loopholes that are not dealt with by existing laws.

MsMcWibble · 07/08/2019 09:02

Aimee has power - of course this should not be the case and we need to talk about it.
Bespin - do you want to sweep inconvenient truths under the carpet.
You still haven't said how loopholes can be closed. Do you not know?