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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

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Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:30

thought it might rain at one point but it held off. never had so many high fives and people shouting support as this year.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:30

Define "insult" please.

See this is the problem of you don't know what it means it's why you keep doing it to people

ROFL

Some definitions seem to be "fluid" to some people so I need to ascertain that we share the same meaning.

I tend to use those current UK legal definitions which are not fluid.

zebrasdontwearbras · 06/08/2019 23:31

Yelling at lesbians was clearly the highlight of their day.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:31

Trohmaniac

sorry the posts have already been removed.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:32

I think it means Bespin 'feels' that they've been insulted and we need to recognise their 'truth' and show remorse.

Or some bollocks like that.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:33

zebrasdontwearbras

seriously no, by the time we got to them, we didn't realise they were there. but did see the sign and the black shirts. could not hear them though. also saw more lesbians supporting signs then there 3 signs.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:33

*Trohmaniac

sorry the posts have already been removed.*

And they were insults aimed specifically at you, were they? I think not.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:34

oh to live in a world where someone might consider someone else's feeling and try not to insult them. that is not this world unfortunately.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:35

Trohmaniac

why what do you think they were.?

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:36

Again, you're only here for a laugh though, yeah?

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:36

anyway it's far to late for this nonsense night night all plesent dreams.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:38

oh to live in a world where someone might consider someone else's feeling and try not to insult them. that is not this world unfortunately.

You mean a world where women are brow-beaten by men to be compliant with the fictional notion that any man who says he is a woman is identical with them? Despite this being contrary to UK law?

zebrasdontwearbras · 06/08/2019 23:40

Oh come now bespin - the ones doing the yelling were really enjoying it. So much so they took the time to post all about it on twitter.

CharlieParley · 07/08/2019 00:27

Apologies, I left out a group of lesbians protesting at Pride. Not a third group, but the first: those who saw it coming. Those who understood transgender ideology and the harm it could do to lesbians and to women in general from the outset.

Lone voices in the wilderness. Rejected as too radical, too uncompromising, too extreme by so many. Myself included. And yet, they were right.

This is where being nice, and kind and compromising has gotten us:

To a Scottish Parliament that makes a law that uses the definition of the process of gender reassignment to define what women are. In Scottish law, women are now men who become female by using a female name and pronoun. But they need not prove doing even that to avail themselves of a legal set aside created for women to redress disadvantages women face on the basis of their sex.

To Jessica Yaniv and Karen White. To children used as guinea pigs. To gay conversion therapy that comes in the form of cross sex hormones and leads to healthy bodies being mutilated.

They told us. We didn't listen. I am immensely grateful that they are still out there, telling us, today. Because I hear them now, loud and clear.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 00:31

Is it just me or does Roses never answer questions? Or maybe I’ve missed it.

Roses have you ever seen anything at any Pride, or mentioned in the previous thread, which gave you pause re child safeguarding? If so, can you say what?

Gunk · 07/08/2019 01:13

So I have been lurking on this board for the last few days and been reading this thread (and the initial one, man that took some catching up!).

I am absolutely shocked at what is going on to erase the rights of female homosexuals. If they can’t stand up for themselves (and legal and dictionary definition of lesbian) at Pride where the hell can they?!

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 01:26

13 lesbians protested at Pride.

They specifically said they were not protesting trans people, “look at all you beautiful transpeople!” via megaphone.

Just like people who protest the Catholic Church are not attacking Catholic people.

120+ marchers, many men, surrounded those women shouting “NO TERFS AT PRIDE!”

So where is the hate? Where?

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 01:34

I agree with you Gunk - x post

I and other heteros have offered to go in solidarity, but lesbians have said it’s about being visible as lesbians which I totally understand and respect.

But if allies want to help, we can donate to a lesbian- specific march happening in September (not allowed to link, but there is a thread on it).

JanesKettle · 07/08/2019 01:41

What I've learned from this thread; men, of whatever gender expression, require of women, primarily, that they not deviate from the highly gendered expectation of 'niceness'. That is the proper female role - prioritising niceness to men over all other things.

The second thing I learned is that, according the men, of whatever gender expression, the only good lesbian is a mute lesbian. All the better to objectify her as a porn object, I suppose.

Male posters on this thread, of whatever gender expression, need to go away and spend some time examining their incredibly toxic assumption around women and lesbians.

Aspley · 07/08/2019 02:25

@CharlieParley
Exactly. No one is allowed to seriously discus the impact this is having young women. Particularly those trying to come out. What are they supposed to do?
Speak out and they are no longer welcome. But that is what young girls need to do, they need to speak to people like them about their sexuality, to have safe spaces to experiment and be themselves.
Lesbians have to be allowed their own lesbian(female) only spaces/groups.
Where I live there are no actual lesbian only groups. How is this progress?
No one is respecting female homosexuality and that is shameful. Every one on this thread defending the targeting of these lesbians at Pride events needs to seriously think about what they are doing and actual damage to people's lives they are complicit in.

JanesKettle · 07/08/2019 03:23

My actual lesbian daughter is away at university, and the 'queer space' which now exists instead of a women's room, is full of male people who make her feel so uncomfortable she never uses it. How progressive.

She's not even a T**F; she plays the pronoun game and the deadname game and the TWAW game, but still there is no space on campus that is a place for same sex-attracted women to meet, organise, or experience solidarity. And she knows very well that the minute she doesn't play the game, any superficial support for her from the 'community' will vanish out the window.

Plenty of space and support for blokes, though.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 03:34

Flowers for your daughter Janes

The impression I get from lesbians in their teens and 20s is “smile along, don’t rock the boat,” so I don’t think your daughter is alone in how she feels.

2BthatUnnoticed · 07/08/2019 03:46

Also - some women presumably are fine with the status quo, so it’s by no means a black and white situation.

That’s why the intimidation of those 13 lesbians seemed so disproportionate. There were women marching with a “cis lesbians for trans!” banner - as was their right. Many here don’t subscribe to “cis”, but those marchers have a right to define themselves as they wish (obviously).

And yet for 13 lesbians defining themselves their own way - 120+ people had to drown them out.

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Datun · 07/08/2019 05:06

Seriously, fuck everyone who thinks the right side of history involves shouting abuse at lesbians - actual, real, same-sex oriented natal females who insist on maintaining their own sexual boundaries.

Agreed. It's horrific really. Grown men shouting at women for having boundaries. Across the board. They either are trans or using trans or both.

At pride. I still can't quite believe that.

The very place lesbians should be safe.