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Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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CaptainKirksSpookyghost · 06/08/2019 18:25

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Datun · 06/08/2019 23:09

How on earth would that even work? Yeah, hang on, we'll have a meet up at Nandos.

That made me laugh out loud.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:09

It’s cool troh bespin just loves having a laugh on mumsnet

Yep, as if we can't see that this is all a jolly for them.

It's ok - we know.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:11

Only females can be lesbians. Obviously that upsets some males, so all the female homosexuals have to be yelled at, at Pride, until they submit, and accept that males can be lesbians too.

UK law is never likely to accommodate the fiction that men can be lesbians.

Crikey, even the GRA 2004 acknowledges that no person can ever change their natural sex.

If ever any government ever wanted to create a demand for a national DNA database that includes all people this would be it.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:13

I know right, I'm sorry you don't enjoy this and it's not a fun experience. I would suggest finding something that you do enjoy and that gives you a sence of meaning. I enjoy this debating you all on here, and it can be fun and funny at times and sad and frustrating at others. when you have gone round so many times with the same stuff it does start ti get amusing.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:14

seriously why would you spend an evening on here if you didn't enjoy it.

When you make remarks like this - which you do, frequently - it almost sounds as if you're admitting to being here for nefarious reasons.

And you only ever seem to make this admissions late at night, when the mods aren't around so much.

I wonder why that is...

littlbrowndog · 06/08/2019 23:14

Yeah troh. Just kinda disappointing and a bit well I don’t know 🤷‍♀️

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:14

seriously why would you spend an evening on here if you didn't enjoy it.

It's more about reaching new audience that come here every day.

The disrupters are valuable for such a purpose. So thanks for your efforts .. you aid our cause substantially.

CharlieParley · 06/08/2019 23:14

I think it’s interesting that it’s mainly always older woman at these protests. Just like with gay marriage and rights, the older generations tend to be stuck in their ways while younger people lead the way for change.

Thought I'd respond to this and there's always the claim that we are the minority outside of Mumsnet.

It was reading detailed accounts of what is happening to young lesbians written by those very same young lesbians that pushed me over the peak into deciding to take a stand.

And in the last 18 months I have met many more young lesbians at public meetings, and as members in the new secret as well as public women's rights groups.

Who all tell me the same thing - their exclusive same-sex attraction to other females is no longer acceptable within their LGBT Youth organisations and friendship groups. They are criticised if they reject males who identify as trans as sexual partners, then vilified and ultimately ostracised if they persist in their "prejudiced genital preferences". They cannot meet in lesbian-only spaces, places or clubs because they no longer exist.

They don't just get this online, these things are said in their faces. Screamed even. Most of them are too scared to be public about their distress, their anger and their loneliness. And when they reach the point where they want to take a stand themselves, many cannot do so at Pride for fear of the repercussions.

We actually do have a bunch of incredibly brave young lesbians that attend one of the groups I'm involved with and they amaze me. They are out and proud female homosexuals and now out and proud gender critical feminists to boot. They leaflet, help organise meetings and yes, they have protested at Pride, too.

And this brings me to the older generation. It's conversations with younger lesbians that has alerted many older lesbians to what is going on. Many lead busy lives, have family and careers, they are no longer that involved with LGBT spaces or activism. But as they became aware of the plight of young lesbians, they decided to take action.

Most of the ones I've met in the last 18 months are seasoned campaigners from the Gay Rights Movement. Many are trade unionists, socialists, anti-poverty campaigners, working in the women's sector or with vulnerable children and adults. Lawyers, doctors. Formidable women who bring their vast experience to bear on our work.

And beside the young and old lesbians, there's a third group of women who are now stepping up - their mothers, their sisters, their friends and aunties, grannies and daughters. Passionate defenders of their loved one's right to be exclusively same-sex attracted to other females, to be able to say that out loud and reject men, all men, no matter how they identify from their dating pool. And they damn well expect that right to be respected. But because they can see it isn't, they are now standing on that hill, too.

They don't go to Pride though, because like me they've always thought it was for homosexual and bisexual people. Not straight people. And joining a lesbian protest when you're not a lesbian always leads to accusations that no actual lesbians are protesting. So they tend to stay away from Pride protests.

But not the activism. Not the new women's rights groups. They're leafletting whole estates now, and conferences, they're seeing MPs and MSPs and councillors, too. Attending meeting, writing articles, educating the public.

And like me, they also talk to almost everyone they meet about the issue. Which has taught us that actually, those who reject transgender ideology and legislation are in the majority. Every poll confirms it. But of that majority, we are indeed a minority in taking action. Most people do not become active defenders of women's sex-based rights. That doesn't mean they oppose us.

So, no, the likes of us are not just confined to the Mumsnet echo chamber of a feminism chat board. We are everywhere now and our numbers are growing by the day.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:15

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Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:16

what I admit that I come on here to debate issues. as much as you really don't want anyone to disagree with you. you don't get to choose who comes on here and disagrees with you. I'm not the one who as been offensive towards people.

littlbrowndog · 06/08/2019 23:18

Thanks Charlie. That’s why I keep coming here to read posts like yours

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:18

what I admit that I come on here to debate issues. as much as you really don't want anyone to disagree with you. you don't get to choose who comes on here and disagrees with you. I'm not the one who as been offensive towards people.

As others have said, crack on - you're making it too easy. I'm not even getting into whether you've been offensive or not.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:19

it was a link to why the lie about the Lgbt community supporting pedophilia was not ture. didn't realise it was 4chan, best ask the kiwi farmers on here about that lol.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:20

I'm not the one with the deleted posts on this tread so I think I've not been.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:20

what I admit that I come on here to debate issues. as much as you really don't want anyone to disagree with you.

ROFL

We welcome disagreement so long as it is based on factual evidence and not fictional ideology.

Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:21

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JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 23:23

I'm not the one with the deleted posts on this tread so I think I've not been.

ROFL

We don't report / complain because it is not in our interest to so do.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:24

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Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:26

Leeds pride, really good day, anyone else actually there.

Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today
Bespin · 06/08/2019 23:27

Define "insult" please.

See this is the problem of you don't know what it means it's why you keep doing it to people

Datun · 06/08/2019 23:28

CharlieParley

Fabulous post.

It was the wonderful, shit hot women at gendertrender who first alerted me to this issue.

Their pain was palpable and their anger righteous.

It was a learning curve for me. And one that I'm grateful for.

One of the most eye-opening experiences was watching them nail the issue, time after time. Their perception was always spot-on. Damaging interlopers and thread ploppers, were identified and dealt with swiftly and always, always accurately.

A lesbian is a female homosexual. Nothing will change that.

RosesAndRaindrops · 06/08/2019 23:29

Leeds pride, really good day, anyone else actually there

I know a few people who went, seen some great posts on FB.
They all said they had a great time and pictures looked like a good day out

zebrasdontwearbras · 06/08/2019 23:29

Nice pic of a crane, bespin.

Trohmaniac · 06/08/2019 23:29

*Define "insult" please.

See this is the problem of you don't know what it means it's why you keep doing it to people*

Translation - I have no evidence to back up what I said so here's some vague nonsense instead.

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