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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

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MrsSnippyPants · 04/08/2019 16:41

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JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 08:47

Yes jacky you’re absolutely right, these woman took megaphones to protest in the hope no one would notice them hmm

You sound ridiculous.

I believe i said this: Yes you can ... many protests occur without any kind of confrontation or aggression at all.

Those people may a conscious choice to intimidate / harass the lesbians.

This means what I am saying is that the lesbians wanted to be noticed but were not inviting an aggressive confrontation. It is possible to make a protest and for others to avoid an aggressive confrontation by the way those others choose to behave towards those making that protest.

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 08:47

People are allowed to be angry! Most of you are angry because you feel your rights are under attack. You don’t want to stay silent about that. That is completely your right.

it works both ways

Police were on hand at all times, there was no threats or violence. Both sides protested their sides and fought for what was important to them.

That is what protests are about.

sackrifice · 06/08/2019 08:48

Why would 'other people' at Pride have a different opinion to lesbians [female humans in same sex relationships], when Pride is supposed to be about celebrating and being proud of same sex relationships?

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/08/2019 08:49

100 Lesbians wouldn't have drowned out and intimidated them. They don't do that.

FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 08:49

Shouting homophobic abuse, supporting perverts, intimidating a small group that are protected under EA2010 for their sex and sexual orientation - all good nothing to see, thats what Prides all about.

Pride has come a long way from when it was a movement for homosexuals to show they were normal people that were same sex attracted. When people at pride were trying to show they werent perverts.

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MsJeminaPuddleduck · 06/08/2019 08:50

I think this might be one of the more bonkers threads I've been on in MN

Orwell had nothing on this

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 08:51

And, yet again, you have chosen to ignore the central point of my comment which was why has their been no suggestion by the critics here in this thread of that lesbian protest that the people intimidating the lesbians could have made the choice to ignore the protest and pass it by.

[This avoidance is getting very tedious!]

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 08:52

You are not immune from criticism or even being an asshole because you’re a lesbian.

Not saying these woman are assholes in the slightest but some of you talk about lesbians like they’re a different bloody species, they are normal people you know Hmm

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 08:53

You're a bunch of hypocrites. If it had been a group of 100 lesbians drowning out 8 marchers you wouldn't have a problem with it at all. In fact you'd be saying how great it was. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.

A group of 100 lesbians sirrounding intimidating 8 trans allies for stating factual information and for pointing out that their rights matter. Shouting things like bigot, Terf etc

Firstly, let me know when that happens, because I would be shocked if did.

And secondly no one should be intimidating anyone. Despite TRAs cries that they are afraid, it's usually TRAs that attack and intimidate GC people.

So again, let me know when that happens. Confused

LangCleg · 06/08/2019 08:53

If it had been a group of 100 lesbians drowning out 8 marchers you wouldn't have a problem with it at all.

Your "if" is doing a fuckton of heavy lifting there, Minnie.

Find an instance where a large number of women have surrounded, intimidated and shouted abuse at a small number of trans people. Find one. I dare you.

And morning! Your thread about funding is proceeding nicely! I was hoping you'd revisit to discuss right wing and taxpayer funding of extremist genderism. How about it?

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 08:55

Police were on hand at all times, there was no threats or violence. Both sides protested their sides and fought for what was important to them.

Why were one side surrounding the other smaller group.

Why was one side shouting insults?

This was not 2 sides having a disagreement.

Explain how the surrounding of the small group and the insult shouting was not intimidation?

Earlywalker · 06/08/2019 08:55

jacky just because you don’t like my answer, doesn’t mean I haven’t answered.

Many people did ignore them! There was 60k people at pride.

The ones that didn’t were perfectly within their rights to protest back.

I’ve not an advocate for wanting people to shut up and put up if they see something they disagree with.

Looks like you’re very much an advocate for #NoDebate judging by your comment though.

FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 08:55

Jacky

They cant answer you, they cherry pick what to answer so as to conflate rather than clarify.

They complain the women did nothing about the perverts while supporting those supporting perverts.

MsJemima even Orwell couldnt make this shit up.

MinnieTheSphinx · 06/08/2019 08:56

100 Lesbians wouldn't have drowned out and intimidated them. They don't do that

Keep trying to build the poor innocents line. Anyone who's seen the likes of Julia Long in action at a protest will tell you it's bullshit.

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 08:56

You are not immune from criticism or even being an asshole because you’re a lesbian.

Not saying these woman are assholes in the slightest but some of you talk about lesbians like they’re a different bloody species, they are normal people you know

No-one here is saying lesbians are beyond criticism.

The question here is why did those people make the choice to create an aggressive confrontation to intimidate and harass the small group of women who were asserting their sexuality as lesbians ... at Pride?

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 08:59

The ones that didn’t were perfectly within their rights to protest back.

Perfectly within their rights to surround the smaller group? Perfectly within their rights to shout bigots. To tell the police they were a hate group and should be removed?

You cant answer this, can you?

Fieldofgreycorn · 06/08/2019 09:02

There are trolls on this thread, the same trolls that turn up on other threads to derail them a lot on this board.

I notice every time anyone disagrees with some of you here you call troll. Every. Time.

MinnieTheSphinx · 06/08/2019 09:03

Let's face it, people on here would be saying the protesters were intimidated if two or three people had shouted at them. The intimidation line is just convenient cover for the fact that, yet again, it was shown that the overwhelming majority of lesbians don't agree with them.

2BthatUnnoticed · 06/08/2019 09:04

Minnie you are wrong. IF 100 lesbians ever surrounded and shouted at a group of 8 - I would definitely call it out (duh). Most (all?) of the board would. Because that behaviour is wrong. Simple.

Have you found out yet what $424 million per annum in trans funding is spent on? Grin

JackyHolyoake · 06/08/2019 09:05

jacky just because you don’t like my answer, doesn’t mean I haven’t answered.

The question raised was why the critics here in this thread chose not to suggest that the people who made the confrontation could have chosen to ignore the protest and pass it by. This has not yet been answered.

Many people did ignore them! There was 60k people at pride.

So, why did this particular group of people make the choice to stage an aggressive confrontation?

The ones that didn’t were perfectly within their rights to protest back.

Why did they choose to "protest back" by staging an aggressive confrontation? They could have made a different choice, could they not?

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/08/2019 09:07

Julia long - That's one person. Not 100

And as FWR show, woman call other women out.

Wishihad · 06/08/2019 09:07

Let's face it, people on here would be saying the protesters were intimidated if two or three people had shouted at them. The intimidation line is just convenient cover for the fact that, yet again, it was shown that the overwhelming majority of lesbians don't agree with them.

But that's not what happened. What did happen was intimidation.

Debating what people would say if the situation was different is pointless.

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/08/2019 09:08

And afaik I've never seen her act like those men.

NeurotrashWarrior · 06/08/2019 09:09

No woman I know would ever say "I'd rather be a pervert than a terf"

FormerMediocreMale · 06/08/2019 09:09

Minnie the intimidation by a large group happened, the homophobic abuse happened, the support of perverts happened.

Had any large group treated a small group in this way I'd call it out. If that response is really the best you can come up with it shows just how poor your arguements are, which acts to support what we are saying.