Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[MrsSnippyPants]

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Early - they were at Pride asserting their lesbian status!

Early - they were at Pride asserting their lesbian status!

CharleyParley
Thanks for the description, it gives a real feel of the event as it happened. I really cannot believe that Lesbian women staging a protest at Pride to define their sexual orientation have been shouted down and called homosexual bigots.
It's also shocking that posters have come onto a Feminist board to defend those Men's Rights Activists that rook part in the intimidation.

I was confused with all the stuff about gaslighting and twisting words and that nobody said that TWAW...

An interesting point, for me, is that the critics here of the lesbian protest have not once suggested that the men and their allies who intimidated the lesbians could have made the choice to pass the protest by and ignore it.

I’m calling the people here who are pushing the narrative that these poor defenceless woman were just minding their own business with a banner defining lesbians when they were nastily attacked, manipulative.

But that's exactly what happened!

Exactly jacky.

I’m calling the people here who are pushing the narrative that these poor defenceless woman were just minding their own business with a banner defining lesbians when they were nastily attacked, manipulative.

How is it manipulative? Please could you explain this in more detail? Thank you.

EarlyWalker
You and Roses are pushing the narrative that these Lesbian women deserved everything that happened. That it was their own fault for stating their sexual orientation at Pride.

the men and their allies

Most of the people in that video appear to be woman to me? The first peoples sign said they were ‘CIS lesbians’, the person talking to the police is a woman... why is it men and their allies, do you think woman are incapable of making their own mind up without blindly following a man?

they were at pride asserting their lesbian status
That’s great for them. The trans protestors were asserting their trans status and appear to be chanting ‘trans rights matter’
Both sides were fighting for what they believed in with no threat of or actual violence. Which is what protests should be.

Why is the response to point out what a lesbian is and the trans ideology is a threat to lesbians to shout 'trans rights matter'

At no point did the protestors say they didnt. What they are saying is that trans rights should impact their own.

So who is manipulative? The people that tried to make the women protesting out to be saying that trans rights and live dont matter? Or the people standing up for their own rights.

And here is the problem. Trans rights, shouldnt come at the expense of anyone else.

And the fact that that the trans allies jumped straight to that, suggests that actually they dont care whose right they trample on.

They took women asserting lesbian rights as the message 'trans rights dont matter', which wasnr the case.

Most of the people in that video appear to be woman to me? The first peoples sign said they were ‘CIS lesbians’, the person talking to the police is a woman... why is it men and their allies, do you think woman are incapable of making their own mind up without blindly following a man?

You seem to have ignored the central point of my comment which was why has their been no suggestion by the critics here in this thread of that lesbian protest that the people intimidating the lesbians could have made the choice to ignore the protest and pass it by.

From the description it sounds like the trans protestors were intimidating the lesbian protestors because of their views

This was a handful of brave woman loudly and proudly standing up for what they believed in. An even bigger group disagreed and stood up for what they believed in.

Do you think those that disagreed should’ve not said anything? Should you only be allowed to protest if you’re a lesbian? Or on the smaller team? Or if you agree with them?

Would they deserve threat of or actual violence? No, absolutely not.

Did both sides have a right to defend their position in a non violent way? Yes I believe they do.

Do you think those that disagreed should’ve not said anything? Should you only be allowed to protest if you’re a lesbian? Or on the smaller team? Or if you agree with them?

Again, you have ignored the central point of my comment which was why has their been no suggestion by the critics here in this thread of that lesbian protest that the people intimidating the lesbians could have made the choice to ignore the protest and pass it by.

Pretending it's six of one and half a dozen of the other is ludicrous, early.

These women are upholding the law. Equality law. You know the law that pride has been campaigning for since it began.

Pride's mission has changed. And they need to own it. Let the world see it. It's about fetishists and bullies, but not homosexual people.

Homosexuals are bigots. They said so. They couldn't be clearer.

At this point in the video you see for the first time just how surrounded they are. TransPride members are standing beside, behind and in front of them. Breathing down their necks. Some serious violations of personal space going on here, at times some of the TransPride members are so close to them, they are inside the protesters intimate space zone. I have no idea how the women put up with that.

@Earlywalker why did trsnpride members feel the need to stand so close and surround them. That's not them simply protesting back, is it? Do you really believe that's not an attempt to intimidate.

You believe the women made a bad decision to do this at pride because there are a lot of trans people. But cant bring yourself to admit that Trans allies should respect that there will be lots if lesbians there, some concerned with their own rights.

Look at the language shouted by the trans allies. Bigots, rather be a pervert than a term and so on and so on.

Did any of that type of language come from the women? Did the women intimidate and surround a much smaller group?

This was not just 2 groups simply disagreeing in similar ways.

You just quoted my response to that. It was a rhetorical question because it seems batshit crazy to answer yes to any of those questions.

If someone feels their rights or identity are under attack, they have the right to protest that. Which is exactly what the woman did too.

Who goes out of their way to protest expecting everyone to ignore them?! That would be ridiculous. You don’t protest hoping no one notices you.

Question for you jacky do you think free speech and freedom to protest should only be extended to those you agree with?

Early ~ your “they gave it, they got it back* sounds like you regards the actions as equivalent. So perhaps you point to where those 8 (?) lesbians:

1. surrounded all the marchers (in a group of 50+ including men) from all sides, hemming them in.

1. shouted “No TRAs at Pride”! Over and over again.

The women carrying the “cis lesbians” sign were allowed to express themselves. These others were not.

Under his eye.

Who goes out of their way to protest expecting everyone to ignore them?! That would be ridiculous. You don’t protest hoping no one notices you.

Yes you can ... many protests occur without any kind of confrontation or aggression at all.

Those people may a conscious choice to intimidate / harass the lesbians.

Question for you jacky do you think free speech and freedom to protest should only be extended to those you agree with?

No .. what I do believe is that confrontation and aggression can be avoided by the parties through the behavioural choices they make.

And, yet again, you have chosen to ignore the central point of my comment which was why has their been no suggestion by the critics here in this thread of that lesbian protest that the people intimidating the lesbians could have made the choice to ignore the protest and pass it by.

Yes jacky you’re absolutely right, these woman took megaphones to protest in the hope no one would notice them

You sound ridiculous.

Pretending it's six of one and half a dozen of the other is ludicrous

Exactly the same mindset as the erstwhile nagging and shagging defence. Exactly the same mindset as the men who intimidated the suffragettes when they were campaigning for the vote.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

You're a bunch of hypocrites. If it had been a group of 100 lesbians drowning out 8 marchers you wouldn't have a problem with it at all. In fact you'd be saying how great it was. Anyone who claims otherwise is a liar.