Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[MrsSnippyPants]

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so I'll ask yet again, what exactly is transphobic about a sign, banner or t shirt that states Lesbian = Female homosexual?

Nothing in itself. It’s the intent behind it. The reason why there’re doing it.

It’s just another way to say “trans women are men” and you know it. We all know it.

so I'll ask yet again, what exactly is transphobic about a sign, banner or t shirt that states Lesbian = Female homosexual?

Nothing in itself. It’s the intent behind it. The reason why there’re doing it.

It’s just another way to say “trans women are men” and you know it. We all know it.

It's stating the UK legal definition of the term "lesbian" as written in the Equality Act 2010:

Section 12: Sexual orientation
Effect
55.This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

"A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian."

Field

It's transphobic to state that Lesbians are female homosexuals, because it implies an intent to state TW are men?

Why are lesbians finding it necessary to state that lesbians are female homosexuals?

Is it possibly because lesbians are now being told that to have a homosexual orientation as a woman that excludes males is unacceptable? Do you find that acceptable?

Is it possibly because workshops are being held and articles being written on how to compel Lesbians into 'overcoming' their 'genital fetish'? Do you find that acceptable?

It is possibly because the very word 'Lesbian' when used by a woman is now becoming unacceptable? (Bt to be celebrated if used by a male?)

To interpret those signs, banners and t shirts as 'transphobic' due to an intent to state boundaries proves exactly why these lesbians are protesting and why they need to. Unless you believe that women have no business saying things that men don't want to hear, or have no business having sexual boundaries that exclude men? That's what the whole 'intent' thing is concealing.

Nothing in itself. It’s the intent behind it. The reason why there’re doing it.

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

And no, I'm not calling anyone on the thread a man, before we have umpteen pages pretending that I did.

I'm calling the men baying at the women in the video, men. Vile men.

Again: bottom line.

Women who upset men by resisting and complaining when those men wish to use them deserve punishment.

Men matter: women don't.

Equality and consideration and inclusion and tolerance is for men; not women. Particularly women who don't do as men tell them.

However it's said, those are the messages that come out over and over again, that's the belief underpinning it.

@Fieldofgreycorn - in my opinion, a person with a fully functioning penis, who wants to have penetrative sex with a biological female is not a woman nor a lesbian.

I have seen statements that say that some lesbian women can cope just fine with penetrative sex with a penis owner, and others need to get over their genital hang ups. Well - call me crazy, but surely sex should be about fulfilling pleasure, joy, fireworks, orgasms - not ‘coping fine’, and anyone who calls lesbians’ attraction to other biological females a ‘genital hang up’ is profoundly homophobic.

@Michelleoftheresistance - I agree 100% with your last post. It is all about the men and their entitlement and it is horrible that there are women pandering to this and throwing other women under the bus.

@Fieldofgreycorn
Nothing in itself. It’s the intent behind it. The reason why there’re doing it

THIS

9th rule of misogyny:

There's always an "answer, isn't there?
Some written rule where you can never question, never deviate from the party line.
It's always
DARVO
a rule of misogyny
gaslighting
or something else.

It's just all turned back on you. Whatever you say

I can’t believe how some posters twisted my comment about MAPs. My point was, those shouty men seemed quite comfortable with the MAPs - one sang “I’d rather be a pervert than t*rf” and everyone else laughed - complicit.

And yet, the idea of female homosexuality was so shocking to those same people (omg! Lesbians!) they had to surround and yell at them. 90% of that yelling crowd looked male, to me.

But some posters are trying to blame the male pedophiles marching on... women??

Women are pushed out of LGBT unless they can smile along while men sing “I’d rather be a pervert than a t*rf.”

Women who assert their own sexual boundaries would not smile along with that. And that is why they are being yelled at, sneered at and mocked.

OK. I see there's a lot of cries of gaslighting.
Can you really not SEE there's a fuckton of that coming from so called GC posters?
That anything you say is painted as abusive. Even if you literally just post to say an alternate opinion.
Alternate opinions are NOT harmful, that's how discussions work.
Two sides and all that.
I don't even know why I'm bothering. It's for the lurkers I do it, I know I'll never get through to any entrenched, closed, set in their ways ones.

It's just all turned back on you. Whatever you say

Maybe because what you say just doesnt hold up.

There was nothing wrong with the banners. If males dont like the intent - that lesbians arent interested whatever feminine feels they have - that is their problem, not the lesbians problem.

Every normal, decent person reading this thread: WATCH THAT VIDEO AGAIN Eight women, bayed at by a crowd. For holding banners asserting same sex attraction.

OMG

EVERY NORMAL DECENT PERSON READING THIS THREAD (sorry, we seem to be shouting now so I'm following suit)
Please try to take a look at what's happening here.
There's MORE AT PLAY on these boards
It's like "they're only little women being bayed at by a crowd, what harm could ladies do? YOU HATE MUMMIES!"
As if because you're a woman/and/or/lesbian you're automatically blameless and can't be anything apart from fluffy.

There were also women in the March holding a sign “cis lesbians in support of transactivism.” As is their right - to express themselves, to stand for what they believe.

I cannot imagine MN-ers surrounding those women with a bunch of intimidating men, yelling at them. If they did, I would denounce it.

And yet. People can honestly watch that video and say (in effect) “well, those 8 lesbians asked for it - and why were they not rounding up the MAPs (some of whom were yelling aggressively at them)?

This is bonkers.

AnotherAdult I tend to agree.

(Kat yes there was footage of pedophiles on T, but I don’t want to derail the thread further.)

Also, I've noticed trolls on this board do something I will call 'thread filibustering' (like they do in parliament, when they don't want a bill to get passed).

They target certain topics and post literally tonnes of random petty replies until eventually the thread reaches 1000 and by the end is always completely nonsensical. I'm not sure if Mumsnet will do anything about this but it would be good if they did because it makes it difficult for new people to read the replies and make sense of the discussion enough to join in. This tactic works well to exclude actual feminists from discussing the topic at hand and instead allows trolls to hijack it into oblivion.

Well done to those lesbians who protested, it looked like an awful place to be. I hope we can find a way forward so that lesbians can have their own marches, or claim back the pride march.

(queue lots more filibustering....)

There was only one group of people at Pride who were yelled at -filmed, and boasted about, by the people who did the yelling- and that was lesbians defining their boundaries, saying lesbians are females, attracted to other females.

Women who are rejecting males, all males, regardless of whether they identify as women or not, were yelled at and called bigots.

Doesn't look like there was any other groups yelled at, and called names at Pride that day? The L with the T people weren't yelled at. Nor were the MAPs.

Just the lesbians, asserting that lesbians are female homosexuals.

Still, it was v helpful for the gc cause that a man struck up a verse of "I'd rather be a pervert than a terf" - it's good to see the sort of man that is welcome at Pride these days. Along with the pups and the MAPs. Eye-opening.

Also, I've noticed trolls on this board do something I will call 'thread filibustering' (like they do in parliament, when they don't want a bill to get passed).They target certain topics and post literally tonnes of random petty replies until eventually the thread reaches 1000 and by the end is always completely nonsensical

FYI, it's not "troll" to have a differing opinion on this board but some seem to think it is.
I'll literally post once, have tons of questions thrown at me and accusations, but if I answer them I'm not supposed to.
Get accused of derailing for answering all questions. Then when you don't answer all questions and leave the thread you're accused of flouncing to go and made a cake or done some knitting or something.
Not DARVO to point out, just the truth.
Or gaslighting.
It's what happens.

Still, it was v helpful for the gc cause that a man struck up a verse of "I'd rather be a pervert than a terf" - it's good to see the sort of man that is welcome at Pride these days. Along with the pups and the MAPs. Eye-opening.

Indeed. They can't help themselves. Wheels coming off.

What's your different opinion Roses?

The women here think it's bad form for lesbians to be yelled at and called bigots at Pride, for not thinking transwomen are women.

You say you have a different opinion - so you think lesbians should be surrounded, and shouted at, and called bigots at Pride? For asserting their same-sex orientation?

Haha I knew you wouldn't disappoint Rose! Have you got the thread to 1000 yet? Keep going you'll get there! 😂

I firmly predict that we'll be at 1000 by tomorrow night, Another