Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[MrsSnippyPants]

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Seriously, if a march had Aimee Challoner, Lily Madigan, Jane Faye, What's her name Prior, and Ruth Hunt on it and they were treated like that I would be appalled.
Why are there posters here who are making excuses?

Aberhonddu yes I did. What point did you think I was making?! The woman were not just minding their own business saying ‘I love woman’ ffs you’re all deluded.

I’m not goading anyone but come on ladies stop feeling like a victim I worry for my daughter in a word like this.

Protest all you like, but you cannot cry the victim when people do not agree.

Free speech is not only acceptable by woman.

If you go to an event with a huge trans population with anti-trans messages, you know it’s unlikely To go down well.

This was not an ‘attack on lesbians’ it was an attack on anti-trans messages displayed at pride which still includes the T no matter how hard you don’t want it to.

These woman were not shouted down for being lesbians, there is no need to manipulate what happened if you are so confident you are right.

I’m out, this is a really, really depressing race to the bottom.

But early, that's not what inebriatee is saying to you, so you've twisted it too.

Someone else: you think lesbians should be forced to take penis!

Ineb
Are you two trying to say that women should accept penis? (Question, not atatement/accusation.)

Worry for your daughter? Yes. You should. Not a great world being created for women at the moment.

I’ve used the megaphone example to say how brave the woman were and not poor victims like everyone’s so keen to paint them

It doesnt even make sense. Why would a mega phone make the women more or less victim like?

If you go to an event with a huge trans population with anti-trans messages, youknowit’s unlikely To go down well.

And biological males shouldn't be trying to encroach on womens rights anytime of the year at a protest or not.

Pride is about people having rights. Trans ideology trampled on womens rights. Some of those women are lesbians. I think it's exactly the right place for it.

Why do LG & B have to accept what the T want for the sake of pride? If so, they pride isnt representative of them anymore.

If you go to an event with a huge trans population with anti-trans messages, you know it’s unlikely To go down well.

Exactly what were those "anti-trans messages"?

Is it being said that the UK legal definitions are "anti-trans messages"?

Notice still no answer to wether words have meaning and if definitions are important or not.

Women, you deserved it, again.

Just for when someone calls me a liar I’ll put this here. Many more of course but this was page 1 or 2 I think

This - I mean even when you can prove it was said, even though you're apparently a liar (not DARVO, it's what happens) there's always an answer as to why you're wrong (which will no doubt be wheeled out next)

Women, you deserved it, again

What Roses - isn't that the implication?

If Pride is an inclusive LGBT event, surely lesbians can attend and define their boundaries?

I think I know one of the women; I'll need to check.

She's a recent de transitioner. She now realises how the ideology affected her and clouded her ability understand she's a lesbian.

She was there to say she was a lesbian and that the ideology / lack of lesbian visibility and clarification of what a GNC lesbian was harmed her.

It was only when she realised she really didn't feel attracted to TW and why that she started to de trans and recognise herself as lesbian and a woman.

So if pride and stonewall and all these other orgs are complicit in this coercion of course. It's the place to protest.

She does know (sensible) trans people and wouldn't wish them harm. It's the political ideology that pride represents they're protesting.

Umpteen threads about paedophilia, infiltration via adult babies, pup play and the like, and the implications for safeguarding hereabouts.

Response: You're tarring everyone with the same brush! You're kink shamers! You're not hurting anyone by wanking at work!

8 lesbians go to Pride and protest the cotton ceiling:

Response: Why were they crying victim all over the place and ignoring the MAPs?

How many rules of misogyny in there?! At least half of them by my reckoning.

In fact, I've just checked, the banner said

Transgender ideology harms lesbians (AHF)

So there was no protesting actual trans people.

Why were they crying victim all over the place and ignoring the MAPs?

one was certainly a victim of the ideology and could have become a transman. The adult GIDs service that she has started to enter into had/ has much less gatekeeping. If she'd asked she'd have got.

This was not an ‘attack on lesbians’ it was an attack on anti-trans messages displayed at pride which still includes the T no matter how hard you don’t want it to.These woman were not shouted down for being lesbians, there is no need to manipulate what happened if you are so confident you are right

This. It reminds me of the "we're just lesbians sitting on a chair eating pizza" thread a while back - it's just so obtuse.

So many people in this debate just blindly follow their ‘crowd’ on both sides Without engaging any critical thinking and it’s so frustrating to watch.

I've been out since 6.30 and am just about to start catching up with this thread but I'd like to take exception to this.

I was absolutely one of those 'oh, they're harmless, it's just a few men who like to dress in women's clothing, what's the problem?' until about a year ago. And then I did start engaging critically and reading around and picking up on people like Danielle Muscato and JY and Karen White and the 'cotton ceiling' and the violence advocated towards non-believers and children being put on puberty blockers and people de-transitioning it became impossible to stick to what I believed in initially.

So please, take your 'people don't engage critically' and stop being so patronising. The critical thinkers on this board are the ones who actually make solid arguments, with evidence, not the ones who pop up on every trans thread and can't/won't explain what a woman is (beyond 'feelings').

Now I'm going to read the rest of the thread.

Having to think very hard about this whole debate really taught me to think critically for the first time in my life and not follow the crowd.

My crowd was very much the guardian lefty types. I was allergic to the Times.

I even found myself listening respectfully to that young right wing gay bloke who has now disappeared when I saw him debating nicely with Julie Bindel while JF knitted.

I was suddenly thinking critically about the actual heart of the debate and not about who I was supposed to side with, after with and campaign for.

The word woman matters. It isn't antI trans. It's pro-woman.

TRAs wont answer wether wording matters or not.

It clearly does because misgendering is a hate crime. If words dont matter he or she wouldnt matter either. But for some reason non of them want to answer. Cant think why.

(Knitting)

If you go to an event with a huge trans population with anti-trans messages, you know it’s unlikely To go down well.

Lesbians being same-sex attracted is anti trans. Gay men not liking vagina is anti-trans. Heterosexuals being attracted to the opposite sex is anti trans.

Women not wanting men in their spaces when they disrobe, its anti trans. Parents not wanting a 14 year old boy showering with their 10-year-old girl is anti trans.

I take a look at yourself.

It clearly does because misgendering is a hate crime

In the UK ... a hate crime is an event where a crime has been committed and it can be proven that the motivation for committing that crime was rooted in hatred.

Where hatred can be proven an extension to the sentence imposed on the criminal can be extended.

'So-called 'misgendering' is not even a so-called "hate incident" since the term 'misgendering' has no meaning in any UK statute.