Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[MrsSnippyPants]

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And as usual it's descending to play ground level when there is no rational argument.

I'd ask for examples of this 'gaslighting' (as a side note, I do find it obnoxious when terms are appropriated without real understanding of their meaning or context or history just because 'its what they say' and it 'more or less means this', much in the same way 'female' has been so obnoxiously appropriated) in the same way examples have been given above.

But I really can't be buggered.

Be anti woman. Say whatever you like. Free country. The only bit that annoys me is pretending that there's anything virtuous or inclusive about it.

wish if you’re so keen to known, you yourself were proven wrong. You said this (and others)

No I am not. The women were shouted at because they were making the definition of lesbian clear. How is it in the spirit of pride to shout at lesbians for being lesbians, by the actual legal definition of lesbian.

But that wasn’t entirely true was it?

The levels of gaslighting have reached astronomical scales on FWR.

Hi, lurker here, I need this explained in very clear terms as I haven't got a clue what this is referring to or how what's discussed here is gaslighting? Could you explain it please? I understand the premise is that FWR do not believe that TWAW and that lesbians are natal women only but I don't understand how that's gaslighting?

The levels of gaslighting have reached astronomical scales on FWR.

Hi, lurker here, I need this explained in very clear terms as I haven't got a clue what this is referring to or how what's discussed here is gaslighting? Could you explain it please? I understand the premise is that FWR do not believe that TWAW and that lesbians are natal women only but I don't understand how that's gaslighting?

The levels of gaslighting have reached astronomical scales on FWR.

Hi, lurker here, I need this explained in very clear terms as I haven't got a clue what this is referring to or how what's discussed here is gaslighting? Could you explain it please? I understand the premise is that FWR do not believe that TWAW and that lesbians are natal women only but I don't understand how that's gaslighting?

The levels of gaslighting have reached astronomical scales on FWR.

Hi, lurker here, I need this explained in very clear terms as I haven't got a clue what this is referring to or how what's discussed here is gaslighting? Could you explain it please? I understand the premise is that FWR do not believe that TWAW and that lesbians are natal women only but I don't understand how that's gaslighting?

(Oops, some app issues here)

I highly doubt that!

Doubt it all you like, doesn't mean it's not our experience.
As I said it's interesting that someone else has said it as I always get "nope, didn't happen" if I say it. When it has quite a few times.

The gaslighting I’m referring to is when posters change what I’ve said or make out I’m saying something entirely different that I have not said, to make me doubt my own sanity and discredit my points.

It happens all the time on here. Then when people skim the thread they just read a fake summary of what someone else has said that is not representative so they can’t think for themselves.

For example.

Me: I don’t think pride isn’t it the best place to protest trans people
Someone else: you think lesbians should be forced to take penis!

Hi, lurker here, I need this explained in very clear terms as I haven't got a clue what this is referring to or how what's discussed here is gaslighting? Could you explain it please? I understand the premise is that FWR do not believe that TWAW and that lesbians are natal women only but I don't understand how that's gaslighting?

What you say isn't the gaslighting Early was referring to (correct me if wrong, Early)
FWR don't believe TWAW. That's fair enough. You're (general you) are entitled to your opinion
It's the twisting of words, the twisting things that you haven't said to make you question yourself.
The making out that you're the baddie, nefarious, whatever for not always toeing the agreed opinion.
It's NOT DARVO to point this out, it is literally what happens.

X post roses but spot on!

Well said wishihad
The blanket statements are incomprehensible.
Earlywalker you've definitely reinforced my opinion of the GC Feminists on here, well done, feel Pride in yourself that you've singlehandedly made me more sure that TWAW is totally untrue and that Lesbians are being discriminated against and the the whole trans ideology is a Men's Right Activists movement designed to suppress and oppress Women, the Adult Human Female kind.
Have your own Pride March but don't take a megaphone. You might be mistaken for one of those pesky Lesbians

The gaslighting I’m referring to is when posters change what I’ve said or make out I’m saying something entirely different that I have not said, to make me doubt my own sanity and discredit my points

Complete cross point with you there Early basically the same as what I was saying!

The making out that you're the baddie, nefarious, whatever for not always toeing the agreed opinion.

Opinions are most valued when they are based on provable fact not fiction, though.

Pride in yourself that you've singlehandedly made me more sure that TWAW is totally untrue and that Lesbians are being discriminated against and the the whole trans ideology is a Men's Right Activists movement designed to suppress and oppress Women, the Adult Human Female kind.
Have your own Pride March but don't take a megaphone. You might be mistaken for one of those pesky LesbianS

Thank you for that. I’ve never said TWAW, I’ve used the megaphone example to say how brave the woman were and not poor victims like everyone’s so keen to paint them.

As for TRA being a men’s right movement, that’s fine if you think that but completely irrelevant to the OP and nothing I’ve commented on at all.

Me: I don’t think pride isn’t it the best place to protest trans people
Someone else: you think lesbians should be forced to take penis!
Totally and utterly untrue
EarlywalkerThis statement is an out and out lie, you are the one clearly gaslighting then you accuse others of gaslighting.

Ok thanks. I think? I'm still confused.

I find that hard to understand as I find the statement that TWAW is gaslighting. In the sense that it's a lie.

So then I'm trying to work out how the arguments against this play out as then being gaslit...

Michelle's post 19.15 absolutely nails it.

I’ve never said TWAW,

Ah I see ok.

My understanding is that the reason the 8 women were abused at Pride is because they were displaying a banner that states a fact - that a lesbian is a homosexual female - and the reason this statement is so unacceptable is that it means that a biological Male cannot be a lesbian.

Calling your penis a ‘lady dick’ and yourself a lesbian does not make the sex you have with a woman, lesbian sex. Penetrative sex between a man with a penis and a woman with a vagina is heterosexual sex.

Shouting at women who believe that lesbian sex can only happen between two biological females strikes me as male entitlement - I want what I want and you nasty, bigoted women cannot deny me - so I will gang up with lots of my friends and do my best to intimidate you.

Just for when someone calls me a liar I’ll put this here.

Many more of course but this was page 1 or 2 I think.

But that wasn’t entirely true was it?

Yes it was. They were protesting using factual statements. Some trans ideology do damage womens rights. Thats all women as adult human females.

So it's a factual statement.

You still havent answered if words and definitions are important.

You havent answered why thousands of people partied along with paedophiles. Just put the blame at the door of these 8 women.

Were the 8 women a small and insignificant number or actually having enough of an impact that everyone else could see the very obvious paedophiles. Or notice the 'rather be a pervert than a terf' chant?

Really, rather be a pervert than challenge TRAs? What does that tell you about their thinking? That being a pervert is better than questioning Trans ideology?

I can't believe that this thread has anyone on it who could possibly find anything to defend in the way those women were treated at Pride.
It's absolutely revolting. It's certainly not feminism. I wouldn't want my worst enemy to be treated like that.
What kind of woman goads other women about being bullied and harassed?

I’ve used the megaphone example to say how brave the woman were and not poor victims like everyone’s so keen to paint them
More gaslighting * that is not what you said at all

Me: I don’t think pride isn’t it the best place to protest trans people
Someone else: you think lesbians should be forced to take penis!

I can see that that example is a leap more than your statement.

From the op though, this is pride which is also L and so surely Lesbians can protest that their rights are being harmed?

I didn't see it as much that there's a protest against trans people as that lesbians are being ignored, erased and worse. And they're protesting their right to be women and lesbians.