Shocking behaviour towards lesbians at Leeds 'pride' today

[MrsSnippyPants]

twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1158020993006411779?s=20

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3655656-Yaniv-filming-in-a-public-pool

A thread running right now about a man using self ID to access female changing areas at a local pool and then filming himself (and the children around him) in the pool.

Where are the likes of Roses and EarlyWalker on that thread? Oh no, they're too busy on threads like this, telling women that we have nothing to fear from perverts abusing self ID but also that we're not dealing with paedophiles in plain sight.

The fucking nerve of them.

Anyway. Excellent, passionate, Twitter thread that should - but probably won't - put some on here to shame:

twitter.com/LaraAdamsMille1/status/1158057141078544388

A few tweets from it but the whole thing should be read:

Sickened by footage from Leeds today. Some lesbians do not ascribe to transgender ideology. That should not prevent them from having a community or being proud of their orientation. A lesbian of any political leaning or philosophical outlook is still allowed to be a lesbian.

Our lesbianism is now subject to male approval. How is that okay? Men telling us when and how we’re allowed to choose only our own sex to date. We’re being forced to call our sexual orientation a GENITAL PREFERENCE, as if the women who draw us are no more than vaginas.

Women - actual biological women - who are solely attracted to other actual biological women EXIST. And there is NOTHING wrong with that, nothing that needs expanding or enlightening. If you don’t agree, then you simply do not support rights for homosexual women, aka lesbians.

So if you’re cheering on the people who blocked that march, who said it wasn’t okay for women to carry a banner that said “homosexual female,” that’s you’re right. But realize that you are directly opposing gay and lesbian rights. You are a trans ally, not an “LGBT” ally.

If you think homosexual women are worth so little that we can’t even EXIST if it makes transgender people feel excluded, then you don’t give a shit about lesbians, and you don’t give a shit about women. Our bodies and our lives are not community property.

These actions aren’t those of a human rights’ movement — they’re the doings of toxic masculinity, of abuse and control. You shouldn’t have to agree with me on transgenderism to see that. These are women marching for sexual freedom, being physically bullied and blocked by men.

If you think that women here have been asleep at the wheel while paedophiles run amok, you haven’t been paying attention and It’s unlikely that you’re posting in good faith.

J. Yaniv ring a bell?

Except of course, us talking relentlessly about maps, nomaps Yaniv, Bradley and their incest rape, Fae and campaign to lower the age of extreme porn participants, the other Faye saying suck dick, get tits early, drag queen storytime, Desmond is amazing, Lactatia, the sweets and puppies at pride, promoted by mermaids, the furries, bronys, nappy fetishists and incarcerated rapers of children.

Yes, but when we talk about this we're prudish old kink shamers.

It's only when we're talking about something else that's bad for women it's okay to criticise paedophiles. Otherwise, not.

Do keep up Datun.

The ones saying women (Bad Mummies!) are ignoring paedophiles on these boards know there’s all those threads about exactly that.

And, those of you who think lesbians might possibly include males, please remember EQUALITY LAW.

That teensy weensy little inclusion, that every single gay, lesbian or bisexual person has been campaigning for for the best part of 40 years.

Maybe one of the reasons there were only 8 women stating that lesbians are biological females who are attract d to biological females is that many of us - me included - are afraid of the very real threat of physical violence that is all-too-often levelled at gender critical women.

T-shirts with a blood spatter pattern and the slogan ‘Bash a TERF’, masked male protesters physically preventing women from attending meetings to discuss this issue, and violent rhetoric online and in real life.

All this exists. And my perception of it is that it is MALE violence against women - and yes, it scares me.

Yes, but when we talk about this we're prudish old kink shamers.

It's only when we're talking about something else that's bad for women it's okay to criticise paedophiles. Otherwise, not.

Omg. Nailed it.

I did hear that the share price at Homebase has gone up. On the basis of them selling all those spades - hundreds - so TRAs can dig up and relocate all those goalposts.

For the record, the UK Equality Act 2010 is very clear about the protected characteristic of sexual orientation:

12 Sexual orientation

(1) Sexual orientation means a person's sexual orientation towards—

(a) persons of the same sex,
(b) persons of the opposite sex, or
(c) persons of either sex.

(2) In relation to the protected characteristic of sexual orientation—

(a) a reference to a person who has a particular protected characteristic is a reference to a person who is of a particular sexual orientation;
(b) a reference to persons who share a protected characteristic is a reference to persons who are of the same sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/12

Beyond that, the associated Explanatory Notes gives a more detailed explanation [paras 55 - 57]:

Effect
55. This section defines the protected characteristic of sexual orientation as being a person’s sexual orientation towards:

people of the same sex as him or her (in other words the person is a gay man or a lesbian)

people of the opposite sex from him or her (the person is heterosexual)

people of both sexes (the person is bisexual).

56. It also explains that references to people sharing a sexual orientation mean that they are of the same sexual orientation.

Background
57. The definition is designed to replicate the effect of similar provisions in the Employment Equality (Sexual Orientation) Regulations 2003 and the Equality Act 2006.

Examples
A man who experiences sexual attraction towards both men and women is “bisexual” in terms of sexual orientation even if he has only had relationships with women.

A man and a woman who are both attracted only to people of the opposite sex from them share a sexual orientation.

A man who is attracted only to other men is a gay man. A woman who is attracted only to other women is a lesbian. So a gay man and a lesbian share a sexual orientation.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/2/1/9

Thus UK law explains that men are not lesbians.

End of debate, I think.

There are threads beyond threads on this board talking about nothing BUT paedophiles slipping in the back door using self ID. There are threads about Girl Guides, threads about Jessica Yaniv, but they are roundly ignored over and over and over by the posters on this thread who have made the insinuations.

My point was that they clearly don’t even need to ‘hide behind trans’ if they are happily going under the MAP umbrella.

And that’s not true. I commented on the Yaniv one that I saw and several of the GG ones when that first changed too so don’t make accusations that you know nothing about.

Woman are not immune to criticism. I will not just be nice ‘because sisterhood’

You are so bothered about not looking woke that you forget to open your eyes. So many people in this debate just blindly follow their ‘crowd’ on both sides Without engaging any critical thinking and it’s so frustrating to watch.

I didn’t even know there were GC protestors at pride until this thread, not seen it written about anywhere but here. I’ve seen photos of lesbians holding ‘L with the T’ banners while marching though.

People are allowed to be angry, pride is a protest for LGBT rights so why exactly you all seem so horrified that LGBT people chanted ‘get T*RFS out’ (which I think means trans excluded Rad feminists?) is beyond me.

If they chanted ‘lesbians must sleep with whoever I say’ or Even ‘get lesbians out’ maybe you’d have a point and I too would be horrified.

And I also said everyone is getting played.

I should also say that UK Equality Act 2010 defines the two sexes thus [section 212]:

“man” means a male of any age;

“woman” means a female of any age

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

[Again, end of debate, I think.]

It would be the end of the debate, Jacky, but it’s really hard to digest bits of legislation with actual legal facts ‘n’ whatnot when you’re flailing desperately to try to claw back one of your more ludicrous assertions

What do you make of the sections of the EA that Jacky posted, early, fieldsof, roses? Any thoughts?

It's only when we're talking about something else that's bad for women it's okay to criticise paedophiles. Otherwise, not.

This is a nice little bit of defective gaslighting. I have never seen anyone justify paedophilia on here and I certainly never have.

You’ll all continue derailing and deflecting to hide any real points but just want to make this clear so the lurkers (and any posters with their own minds) aren’t lured in to believing some of the made up comments that are presented here.

As for the EA, I’ve not argued against that being fact. So I have no comment. It’s not a race to the bottom.

People are allowed to be angry, pride is a protest for LGBT rights so why exactly you all seem so horrified that LGBT people chanted ‘get TRFS out’ (which I think means trans excluded Rad feminists?) is beyond me.*

No it isn't.

What would the impact of a GRC be on these definitions in the EqA? Could a TW with GRC claim discrimination based on sexual orientation as a lesbian under those provisions?

Funny that datun, is it only a protest when it’s GC woman who are angry and want to make a point? Seems a bit one sided, no?

Pride was originally a protest and many people still see it that way, hence marching! A celebration too of course.

*Yes, but when we talk about this we're prudish old kink shamers.

It's only when we're talking about something else that's bad for women it's okay to criticise paedophiles. Otherwise, not.*

Well said.

So many of us concerned about loopholes that have been created, safeguarding good practice being ignored.

We also complain about MAPS, NOMAPS, pups with erections playing with children, fetishes on display in public during the day...

While trans and there allies shout at 8 lesbians, (seriously 8 women who just want to love other women) and ignore completely all the perverts and paedos.

Maybe if trans and there allies turned their aggression towards the pervs and paedos theyd get more support - a hell of a lot. While you remain silent and in certain cases actively dismiss and argue against our concerns re safeguarding - you can fuck off.

Oh my goodness, I've actually just laughed out loud at Early's comment, you'll all continue derailing and deflecting
Didn't spit my wine tea out though

Woman are not immune to criticism. I will not just be nice ‘because sisterhood’ You are so bothered about not looking woke that you forget to open your eyes. So many people in this debate just blindly follow their ‘crowd’ on both sides Without engaging any critical thinking and it’s so frustrating to watch.

Exactly

This is a nice little bit of defective gaslighting. I have never seen anyone justify paedophilia on here and I certainly never have

Same, I even said it was disgusting if any were at Pride, and you said that too.
There needs to be protests there if so.
Not at the dictionary definition of what is a woman.

Not just at should read

Can someone explain how a group of 8 women, managed to distract trans people and trans allies from the shockingly obvious fetish displays yesterday?

Pride isn't a protest for LGBT rights now?
Since when?
I thought it was a march for their rights, to be seen and "out" and proud of being themselves?

Pride was originally a protest and many people still see it that way, hence marching! A celebration too of course

Ha ha.

It was a protest to make people accept same-sex attraction...

The words for which are lesbian, gay and homosexual.

If you want to change the raison d'être for pride, you go right ahead.

You can thank us later for alerting the country.

You're welcome!

The amount of Lesbophobia, loathing and dislike for Lesbian women by some posters on this thread is appalling. The minimising of aggressiveness from men towards them by the same posters is shocking.
This has been asked several times and not answered so I'll ask yet again, what exactly is transphobic about a sign, banner or t shirt that states Lesbian = Female homosexual? Just please explain the anti trans sentiment behind that statement

There needs to be protests there if so. Not at the dictionary definition of what is a woman.

Why cant you do both?