Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

Under the Equality Act 2010, it is unlawful to discriminate against a person with protected characteristic of gender reassignment – a transsexual person, or a person mistakenly perceived to be a transsexual person."

Recent clarification has stated that without a GRC, the comparator is someone of the same sex.

So what can we do about this? Write to our MP? Start an online petition?

Once I hear back from the DBS, we can see if a plan is needed, and start to formulate one.

And what if they aren't obviously male or just a very manly looking woman.

This is opening up employers up to all sorts of legal discrimination cases.

That birth certificate should never have been issued in the first place. If it has been.

I wonder if Aimee has a GRC, and if Aimee used a now "non existent" birth certificate to apply for it?

www.gov.uk/apply-gender-recognition-certificate/documents-you-must-provide

I think this thread shows how little most people here understand about the current GRA system the same people who have been fighting against its reform. So Aimee goes through the current stricter procedure and you still don't accept it. Utter madness.

@LonginesPrime"So how does that work for CRB checks and credit checks? "

For DBS checks (they haven't been called CRB checks since 2012) you have to declare all previous names. If you have a particular reason - for example being transgender or if you don't want to disclose a previous name because of privacy / risk of a former partner say - then you can contact the "Sensitive Applications Team" who will ensure that within the DBService your full details are checked, but won't reveal sensitive information.

For credit checks the same - you have to give previous names.

Also you don't actually have to show a birth certificate though. Most people will show a passport and/or driving licence and further evidence such as bank statements to prove their ID.

then you can contact the "Sensitive Applications Team" who will ensure that within the DBService your full details are checked, but won't reveal sensitive information.

But what if you don't call them?

Vicky why don't transwomen simply have transwoman on their ID documents? Why does it need to be woman?

What I'm curious about is the DBS (It's PVG in Scotland) legal challenge to alter or not disclose 'gender revealing' crimes. Which, as I said, would include 'rape' - I'm not sure what other crimes are 'gender revealing'?

Surely this would make a GRC very appealing to anyone with a rape conviction who wanted to hide it?

Vickyjgo, I'm coming to the position that the GRA itself should be scrapped. It's led to some very poor policy and all of the mess that we now find ourselves in, as far as I can see.

Exactly. The system relies on the person being honest.

Also, passports, drivers ID etc all change too

Vicky why don't transwomen simply have transwoman on their ID documents? Why does it need to be woman?

Because it's outing. The legal fiction means that you cannot disclose their trans status. Even if it's obvious.

The GRA needs scrapping. Gender identity is a beluwf that some have and some dont. Falsifying legal documents is just bonkers and the less gatekeeping the more problems are arising.

Because it's outing

it's so crazy isn't it? This attempt to compel people to participate in the fantasy of a small number of individuals that they are something that in most cases it's plainly apparent that they are not.

It seems to me that being transgender, allows a person to be dishonest or cover up their past when applying for jobs, something which the 99.9% rest of us are not allowed to do.

www.gov.uk/guidance/transgender-applications

That birth certificate basically says that a persons (in this situation) male life never existed.

The male persona never existed.

You are relying on people being honest. This person now has a birth certificate that says AC has always been AC.

If AC was a criminal (I am not suggesting they are) under their male name, it's very inviting to have that person wiped from record and proof that you have only ever lived under the new persona.

andy, thanks for the link.

Have I got this right:

Is this system, for ensuring accurate criminal checks, relying on the honesty of the applicant?

So we are just hoping that someone with criminal records applying for a potentially sensitive job will be kind enough to provide their previous names, and/or call the number to have the info added with name redacted?

Honestly?

Surely I've misunderstood? Anyone?

What about the mothers?

Will we be compelled by law to say our daughter is actually our son?

That the child we gave birth to is not the child we gave birth to?

According to this birth certificate. AC mother never gave birth to a son at all. He doesnt exist.

Our children are literally lost.

A deathless suicide, as one therapist so aptly put it.

I couldn’t put my sons birth father on his birth certificate, because he refused to come to the appointment. It literally says “unknown”, yet this is apprently ok

amateur it stinks doesn't it? My DH registered the birth of our DS with me, we weren't married when he was born. Found out when he was 18 that we need to rereg as a child of the marriage but as I mentioned up thread, DH passed away before signing the forms. Despite having registered DS together at that register office, where we later married, and having all the necessary paperwork, it still needed to be sent to Newcastle for a decision.

Thanks to those who gave - it is another headache to deal with on top of all the usual death duties. If it had been me who died instead of DH I doubt he would have had the same issue.

Aimee knows you can't really change sex. The people around Aimee know.

Many people with gender dysphoria will make every effort to pass. Their aim is to be seen as a woman and thus treated as a woman. Aimee seems to make very little effort. It is as if it is a power thing. They are forcing us to accept her as a woman, even if our own instincts say different.

The LibDems, the Government, Stonewall may all be convinced. However I doubt many on the Clapham omnibus would be able to agree. Sorry Aimee. Whatever bits of paper say, you were born male and still come across as male.