Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

My first peaking came when a friend of a friend showed off their new passport on FB which had the sex as F. He had literally announced his transition and divorce about a month earlier. I was completely astounded that you can change a legal document on a whim.

We did my friends passport a few weeks ago, I am sure the one that looked like this said the same

No, I appreciate that. I mean more what is Aimee’s fixation on changing a document that can’t even be used as proof of identity anyway? Seems, like everything else to do with TRA idealism, illogical.

@Blueemeraldagain I see what you mean. However birth certificates are used to get other Id

This birth certificate now says this person has always been female and called Aimee. Which isnt true.

How is this any different, to the model who claimed she was trans and transition when she was younger? That wasnt true?

It's not true that this person has been a female and Aimee since 1997 either.

I don’t think it’s right that this document is falsified. If the GRA is to stand, I think a GRC should be a separate document which can be shown alongside your birth certificate, stating the date on which you officially gained the right to be seen as the opposite sex for most purposes.

Indeed this is where the modern model of transitioning has gone far wrong, in my opinion. It’s one thing making body changes, if that helps your mental health. But taking it further, to the point where you’re attempting to rewrite history is dangerous.

Nope, you don't need the ops to legally have a gender recognition certificate, you need to prove to a panel you have been living for 2 years in your new gender....whatever that means.

Has AC had bottom surgery? I thought that was a requirement before changing BC.

you need to prove to a panel you have been living for 2 years in your new gender....whatever that means.

I havent worn a dress, only trousers, for over 2 years. Is that enough?

This birth certificate now says this person has always been female and called Aimee. Which isnt true

This is what makes me so angry.

And as others have said, does this mean companies or govt can trace the person, once the birth certificate has been changed? If not, it's a great way to disappear!

Absolutely insane.

A birth certificate is supposed to be a copy of an entry on the register of births

So the entry on the register will retain the actual record of events? (That of a male being born).

Can a name change be 'backdated' like this?

How will PRGs, records checks work?
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/sex-offenders-change-names-by-deed-poll-qfxrwct3f

Has AC had bottom surgery? I thought that was a requirement before changing BC.

It isn't, it wasn't at the time the GRA was passed in 2004.

Most people think it is, which is why polls, which don't mention minor details like 85% of transwomen keeping their fully functional penises, such as the recent Pink News one are able to 'show' the public is favourable to trans 'rights'.

Once people realise what a GRC really means (diddly squat in terms of jumping through any kind of hoops) they tend to be less favourable.

Yes a simple answer to the onerous bureaucracy of obtaining a GRC is to repeal the Act. Let a thousand flowers bloom. But a poppy seed won't produce a hydrangea.

Repeal the GRA.

Sex is observed and unchangeable.

Legal documents should reflect fact not fiction.

How ironic:

You just have to have the right documents and sign offs for a GRC. Easily bought and easily abused.

This legal fiction is just that, fiction and needs revoking and reassessing to ensure loopholes are closed. Anyone, and I mean ANYONE can achieve this, and it is scary

I think it’s appalling that a legal document can be changed. This person was born male and now has ‘proof’ he was born female. How did we get here? How is this right?

It makes me so very angry.

Its a legal fiction, no male ever becomes female. It's an agreed beaurocratic lie and whether legalities like this should ever have been created in the first place is something that wasn't properly or responsibly considered by the muppets in 2004 who wanted to avoid gay marriage and thought this would be better. The road to hell and good intentions and all that.

I'm seriously considering what is the point of honestly filling out the voting forms and my driving licence forms and the coming census form, or even bothering to fill it out at all. If as a society fictional and personally preferred information is all the same as actual fact then there's no point collating it anyway since the results will be useless for any practical purposes such as planning, resources, law and order, safeguarding, you know, meaningless unimportant stuff like that. I'm not prepared to stay in my box as the compelled 'norm' so that small groups of society can enjoy freedoms others can't.

Please can someone explain to me how things like DBS checks work?

Could a man in theory, commit and be convicted of a child sexual abuse offence, identify as female, get a "new" birth certificate stating they were born female, use that to apply for a new female passport and driving licence, then use these to get through a DBS check cleanly, and begin work in a childcare setting?

Please tell me the process will flag up his conviction despite the "sex change"?

Would go well on the wall with a Degree in Specious Twattery from the University of Deadmoose Junction.

"littlecabbage

Please can someone explain to me how things like DBS checks work?

Could a man in theory, commit and be convicted of a child sexual abuse offence, identify as female, get a "new" birth certificate stating they were born female, use that to apply for a new female passport and driving licence, then use these to get through a DBS check cleanly, and begin work in a childcare setting?"

Two years ago I'd have said don't be so ridiculous of course they've thought of that. Now I'm waiting for the answer too.

littlecabbage - that has happened in the US so I'm fairly sure it can happen here.

In fact google Martin Ponting. Marting Ponting raped two little girls. Martin is currently serving time for those crimes but has changed his name to Jessica Winfield. Ponting has had all evidence of his crimes removed from the internet. You will not find a single contemperaneous report of his conviction in 1995.

When Ponting was segragated from female prisoners because he sexually assaulted them, Pink News complained about the fact that the Mail 'deadnamed' him and said that perhaps his crimes were because he has a penis (and also because he is a child rapist).

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/09/08/the-mail-just-implied-a-transgender-rapist-made-unwanted-sexual-advances-because-she-has-a-penis/

you need to prove to a panel you have been living for 2 years in your new gender....whatever that means.

You simply need to change your pronouns and first name (actually not super sure on first name) with your bank etc and after 2 years you’ve been ‘living in your new gender’.

It’s just fucking admin. And they bitch and moan about how arduous it is. Cocks.

Little cabbage and orchid I saw a twitter thread of an American man also changing his name on his birth certificate and bragging that his previous crimes had been 'erased'.

How do enhanced DBS checks work, don't they have to provide previous names?

How do enhanced DBS checks work, don't they have to provide previous names?

But how would anyone know if they hadn't provided previous names?

In terms of DBS I think they’re meant to phone a special number so they don’t have to disclose their trans status to their employer.

However I’m assuming that relies on them actually phoning this number. Who checks if they don’t? That’s a lot of ifs and buts for my liking when safeguarding is concerned.