Challenor showing off their 'new' birth certificate

[MrsSnippyPants]

I will never accept this 'legal fiction, it is a travesty.

Just to say I'm not aware of any crimes committed by A.C.. They appear to have appalling judgement on all sorts of things, doubtless held back by what seems likely to have been the kind of upbringing you have nightmares about, but I don't think this person is a criminal.

Altering a birth cert like this is not funny. A.C. is doing the world a favour by showing the reality of the law. Something about seeing this brings it home.

The full list of members on the Stonewall advisory group are not listed so I imagine AC is still on there.

AC did commit a cyber crime against the Bullring shopping centre some time ago if I'm not mistaken. Could be wrong, happy to be corrected.

Time Lady. Stonewall does not publish the names of all the transadvisory committee members.

It is equally possible that Aimee's name has simply been taken off the website. Aimee has no reason to resign.

I realise that there are non-disclosed members, but.....AC suddenly choosing to be anonymous? I doubt it.

Seriously, what is the point of a man celebrating that his birth certificate now says female?

It's a power statement: "Penis can do whatever it wants. Ner-ner-ne-ner-ner."

We have always been at war with Eurasia

Real women have penises

Shit is organic chocolate

/Nothing to see here

Will be interested to hear what the DBS people come back with.

Having recently applied myself, various documents required include birth certificate, passport, drivers licence, council tax bill, marriage certificate.

All of these documents are easily changed to match you're new gender.

This is why I stand up

I have a dbs and had to disclose previous married name. Also, I work with a charity involving vulnerable children and adults. I request enhanced DBS plus I Google new volunteers, AC would come up straight away, their internet presence is so high that birth certificate is pointless! Everyone will know their biology. Perhaps we should keep posting about AC keep the Google hit rate up

@Terfnserf but what if they arent well known. Most people you couldnt get a hit on google of their new name.

And this birth certificate states that this person has always been called their new name and therefore they woildnt have to declare it. It's essentially saying they didnt have a previous name.

I imagine, if this is real, that trying to get their previous name will be called transphobic. This certificate says they have always been their trans persona.

So what can we do about this? Write to our MP? Start an online petition?
This is just phenomenally crazy!!!

Does the fact that AC has published the certificate with a clear statement that it is post-transition mean that there is no possibility of offence of stating (letting slip) that they have a GRC? AC has already given up that bit of privacy, surely?

I feel very shocked about this. That is an official document and it is basically a fraud.
Sex - Female ----- Really?
Who in the government has authorised this?

The change allowed in the birth certificate was to protect people's privacy, wasn't it? So if they were going to a new job say (and 100% passed), they wouldn't have to out themselves.

The fact that Amy not only doesn't pass, but is perfectly happy for everyone to know that they are biologically male, makes even more of a mockery of it.

Plus, didn't @JackieHolyoake post a comment saying you can't be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, if you have any paraphilias? And you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get a certificate, at the moment.

So they are completely disregarding their own criteria already.

This encapsulates brilliantly why the legal fiction of GRCs MUST end.
Just as JY highlights the insanity of canadian law, AC shows us the madness of UK law.

AC shows us the madness of UK law.

Indeed. I predict it's another own goal.

It's one thing creating a law that people can exploit. It's quite another not realising that many of them will be attention seeking narcs with a desperate need to dominate.

Plus, didn't @JackieHolyoake post a comment saying you can't be diagnosed with gender dysphoria, if you have any paraphilias? And you need a diagnosis of gender dysphoria to get a certificate, at the moment

I believe it used to be the case in the old days Then Ray Blanchard did research into Auto gynephilia. I don't know how true this is, but I have heard people say that this led to auto gynaephiles being able to get a diagnosis of gender dysphoria, and hence a GRC

which would be ironic if true, bearing in mind how much the auto gynaephiles all hate him now for how clear he is about their motivations

Absolutely frightening that crimes like rape could never be linked to your new identity.

In theory, could carry on offending and being charged and convicted and just move back and forth between identities... would this mean that your former identity gets 'reactivated' so to speak... or could you just choose another new one... ?

A certain womanly lawyer is gloating about all this on twatter-fascinating they can’t see what an almighty own goal this is. Bad laws will be abused and then have to be changed.

Doesn’t matter what their new fake certificate says. Absolutely none of them will ever be women and they know that.
If I was presented with a ‘female’ birth certificate by an obviously male bodied person for a role that required DBS checking i’d not bother unless they were forthcoming with their genuine information.

Gretchen sorry for your loss.

What is the justification for retaining this system when it would be so easy for a criminal to use it if they wanted, to deceive people about their past name and sex by getting new official documentation?

Government explainer on the GRA/GRC application system:

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/786910/t455-eng.pdf

www.gov.uk/government/publications/gender-recognition-certificates-t455

Looks a lot like self ID already effectively to me- only very minimal gatekeeping.
Anyone can get a GRC by making no other change to their life or outward appearances or physical self.. except to have had other paperwork set up in their preferred gender for the past two years.

Yet here are GIRES demanding again that GRA is revised so that self ID is adopted in the UK because this system is so very onerous :

www.gires.org.uk/the-gender-recognition-act-discussion-july-2019/

Here’s an extremely worrying part of their argument: GIRES are calling for GRCs to be made available to children and young people.

WTF?! Children and young people lack the capacity to make that kind of extreme social transition decision for themselves with anything like fully informed consent.
Children cannot possibly understand all the ramifications it could have for them.
We also know that normal puberty matures the brain, and we know that stopping puberty via blockers (which many kids are being prescribed) interferes with this maturation process, by stopping puberty because this medication does what it says on the tin.

Meaning if this change were made, an adult would be making that official document change of sex on behalf of the child or young person without their consent.
In most people’s book that would be child abuse.

We know a majority of kids will stop wanting to have a trans identity after puberty. Why would anyone want to lock a child into a certain way of identifying via their official paperwork when the child could grow out of it? What evidence is there that this official, social transition is safe for the child, no psychological harms would be created by this, whether or not the child persists with their transgender identity once they reached adulthood? Where is the child’s privacy if they change their mind? What about the child’s right to have an open future? Why can’t they apply for their GRC alike any other adult once they are an adult?

I hope Parliament does look at this for sunlight and fresh air purposes, and I do think that if MPs actually properly understood what all this means, they could not in good conscience support it.

It's quite another not realising that many of them will be attention seeking narcs with a desperate need to dominate

Or quite another to know but do it anyway.

If I was presented with a ‘female’ birth certificate by an obviously male bodied person for a role that required DBS checking I’d not bother unless they were forthcoming with their genuine information.

I expect that is, in fact, the reality. An employer who doesn't do a quick Google search these days of any potential new employee doesn't deserve any sympathy either. The more vocal TRAs might regret the internet's (and Kiwifarm's ) inability to 'forget'.

Some interesting chitchat here. I wonder if it is true, that having a GRC enables a person to access a service usually available to royalty and MP's?

economia.icaew.com/news/january-2019/hmrc-provides-fast-track-tax-service-to-mps

twitter.com/AimeeChallenor/status/1156909958463705093

"The individual would also need to inform their employer with a copy of the certificate so that the payroll and National Insurance contributions going forward reflect the change. HMRC updates its record with any gender and name change provided, informs the Department for Work and Pension (DWP), and restricts the individuals records to specialist staff at the HMRC’s Public Department 1.

Under the Equality Act 2010, it is unlawful to discriminate against a person with protected characteristic of gender reassignment – a transsexual person, or a person mistakenly perceived to be a transsexual person."

www.sdworx.co.uk/blog/its-all-a-question-of-gender

Interesting article in the Evening Standard about it.

www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/fury-at-superfast-tax-query-hotline-for-mps-and-other-vips-a4048531.html

If I was presented with a ‘female’ birth certificate by an obviously male bodied person for a role that required DBS checking I’d not bother unless they were forthcoming with their genuine information.

The unintended consequence of increasing, rather than decreasing, employment discrimination. Employers will gatekeep.