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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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This is a good thread about female trans allies

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Doyoumind · 30/07/2019 16:00

twitter.com/overpow_erin_g/status/1156003798898241543?s=19

Thoughtful insights into how some women get drawn into the wrong side of the debate.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:07

Quite right Lam, predictably your post still sits within the current thread's context.

From my POV, working within education and disabilities, the words exclusion and inclusion and spectrum have been appropriated by the trans movement and used in contexts and ways that are not their original meaning.

A disability is a biological reality; children are often excluded from normal social upbringings due to their disability if inclusion isn't actively worked on. That's why inclusion is important in schools where appropriate as for example, being in loud environments all day can be too much for a child with autism.

Regarding the civil rights movement; exclusion was based on race. A biological reality.

Regarding feminism, exclusion was based on sex. A biological reality.

This is actual primary school shit ffs. My 6 year old can understand this.

StopThePlanet · 31/07/2019 21:09

Lamahaha

You have missed a lot today lady!

Due to my female material reality I took the day off.

And I'm sorry my post with the ad came after your well communicated post. Sorry sorry sorry. No distraction from you was intended.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:10

Actually datun answers more questions than most. Very patiently too.

This is a ground hedgehog day thread 🦔; the break it down for me thread is what you may be looking for.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:11

stop I'd report that to mn, that's appalling after what you've been discussing.

Lamahaha · 31/07/2019 21:13

Wow, 26 pages long now! You've been busy!! ANd I have some reading to do.... sorry if the discussion has moved on!
Just read this:

Ive been online in communities since 1997 and started to meet people in 1998. Over the years I've met hundreds of people through the Internet, including my husband.

And whilst it's fun and exciting and fills a void, it isn't a substitute for real life contact with people.

I think I first experienced an internet forum in 2002, also quite early. It was surreal. There were about 30 of us and everyone had a made up ID identity and we had these crazy discussions. We were all caught up in a bubble; it was so heady! I remember having this weird feeling that we were at the very centre of life and the whole world was listening in and chuckling along. We had a real microcosm of society, trolls and scientists and evil people and jokesters and mums who pretended to be sexy flirts and what have you. It was so far removed from real life as you could get -- but it felt so, so real and important. But it was nonsense, and fake.

I often get the feeling that the TRAs believe that the entire world is listening in and going along with them -- while in reality hardly anybody cares, and will only wake up when that 6ft bearded man barges into their changing room when they're in their bra and knickers, and says he's a woman too.

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:13

Actually datun answers more questions than most. Very patiently too.

Really? Can't say I've noticed. Still waiting for her to address the "cow bag bitch" comment and how that fits within feminism and how the supporters of the poster who made that comment are feminists too.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:13

And nor do you answer questions Datun.

Ups you'd like to answer questions instead? Define woman, gender identity or feminism.

It's an awful lot more relevant.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:15

Really? Can't say I've noticed. Still waiting for her to address the "cow bag bitch" commen

That's hilarious. Asking me to account for what someone else has said? Ask them what they mean by it, not me. So funny.

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:15

stop I'd report that to mn, that's appalling after what you've been discussing.

This was discussed on a thread yesterday. Apparently the adverts that we see are individual and based on your search history. They are nothing to do with MN (or so it was reported on the other thread)

StopThePlanet · 31/07/2019 21:16

NeurotrashWarrior

stop I'd report that to mn, that's appalling after what you've been discussing

Yeah no kidding... excuse my ignorance but is the most efficient way of reporting to report my post with the ad? I've never reported anybody or anything on here and just wanted to grab and post the screenshot quickly (it's one after the other at this point, mixed in with normal ads but there's a lot of the pervy shit showing up for me).

PetrolBastard · 31/07/2019 21:16

What do you think they meant by it?

What do you think all of the insulting, jeering language on the board?

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:18

So feminists can't get cross.

But they can be men. 🤔

DecomposingComposers · 31/07/2019 21:18

That's hilarious. Asking me to account for what someone else has said? Ask them what they mean by it, not me. So funny.

Yet had it have been me or Roses that made the comment I'm quite sure you would have had something to say about it.

You really have no opinion on someone calling women "bitches" or on people defending that comment? I find that really strange. That a feminist has no opinion on such misogynistic language.

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:18

You were asked a question and respond by simply asking another question and then posting as infinitum "you're not answering my question", whilst not answering questions yourself

Exactly, WTF.

This board is quite frankly nuts

Definitely agree with that lol

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:19

You really have no opinion on someone calling women "bitches" or on people defending that comment? I find that really strange. That a feminist has no opinion on such misogynistic language

Yep, same
And definitely if I'd said it or you I don't think it'd slide so easily.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:20

Derail...

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:21

Actually datun answers more questions than most. Very patiently too

Seriously?
Only to those she agrees with.
There's a whole level of vitriol, back slapping mirth and question avoidance for those she doesn't agree with.

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:24

You really have no opinion on someone calling women "bitches" or on people defending that comment? I find that really strange.

Haha. I'm quite sure you don't!

I'm actually asking roses what she means by feminism, since she said asked that how is feminism?

Personally, and this might just be me, I generally find that debate is better when you confine it to what someone actually says, not what someone else entirely says.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:24

stop I had some weird ones for a while to do with Ant and Dec and a money scam.

I never got to the bottom of it but did post on site stuff and they didn't pop up again.

Phones are spooky now; I dropped and broke my sunglasses and fb suddenly showed me a load of posh sun glasses ads 👀

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:24

Stop, MN won't be in control of what ads come up - isn't it something to do with cookies?
As in it's to do with search history etc as in what adverts come up for each individual.
I'm no techy but it's something to do with algorithms and search history and whatnot I think.
I'm getting ads for tea and vacuum bags lol

littlbrowndog · 31/07/2019 21:24

Still waiting roses. Was that comment to me ?

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:24

question avoidance

Sounds familiar.

NeurotrashWarrior · 31/07/2019 21:25

I'm getting no ads... Confused

RosesAndRaindrops · 31/07/2019 21:25

I'm actually asking roses what she means by feminism, since she said asked that how is feminism?

You said define feminism to avoid answering, if that's what you mean...

Datun · 31/07/2019 21:26

Aaand, roses you still can't define Feminism?

Nor woman, nor gender identity.

Kind of pertinent, wouldn't you say?