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Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (cont. thread 2)

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GirlDownUnder · 22/07/2019 01:34

Thread 1 here
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3632380-Fascinating-tweets-about-JY-s-waxing-case-Read-here-Thread-title-edited-by-MNHQ

This is a continuation of all that is JY and their waxing cases bought against minority women in Canada.

We are a fair way in, and still are no closer to knowing what the final judgment will be, but we have lots of info. and are finally seeing this case, and all the attending issues with self ID, in the public eye and main stream press.

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IStillMissBlockbuster · 22/07/2019 17:15

The coercive control conference twitter account is nailing it here

JoyceJeffries · 22/07/2019 17:22

Fiona Robertson has always been a sub standard politician and why people vote for her has always been a mystery to me.

hoteltango · 22/07/2019 17:26

I don't know if this has been posted before, but this is the Tribunal's report from the previous case (back in May):

www.bchrt.bc.ca/shareddocs/decisions/2019/may/106_JY_v_Various_Waxing_Salons_2019_BCHRT_106.pdf

The result was that the salons didn't have to pay JY anything, but JY had to pay one of the salons $150.

It was heard by Devyn Cousineau, who had some rather negative things to say about JY.

WeShouldOpenABar · 22/07/2019 17:43

I just heard an ad on the radio saying JY would be on the Niall Boylan show tonight from 9.

Here's the link for those outside Ireland to listen

www.classichits.ie/the-niall-boylan-show/

So it's a call in show and Niall doesn't blindly agree with his guests. The tag line on the ad was should women be forced to do this,so I'm not sure he's convinced. I can't participate tonight but hope an Irish MNer will see this and try to ring in to make sure it's balanced.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 22/07/2019 17:44

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In the middle of a court case?

Bloody Nora!

EweSurname · 22/07/2019 17:52

Ricky gervais has commented on yaniv’s adolescent swimming session

mobile.twitter.com/rickygervais/status/1153330404356698114

FannyCann · 22/07/2019 19:04

The replies on Ricky Gervais thread! GrinGrin

allmywhat · 22/07/2019 20:06

What is even worse is in the 'research' Fiona used to back up her point the first two example were TW.

Which of the research she tweeted is that? I just skimmed briefly but can't find it! And where is Sarah Ditum's tweet? I can't find that either!

OvaHere · 22/07/2019 20:49

Which of the research she tweeted is that? I just skimmed briefly but can't find it! And where is Sarah Ditum's tweet? I can't find that either!

I'm not sure exactly what Sarah was referencing and I can't find the tweet again. I don't have a twitter account so I was viewing as not logged in. I quite often can't find stuff when I re look for it. Sorry!

allmywhat · 22/07/2019 20:59

I searched Sarah's name and found it - I think the person she was arguing with is Mhairi Black's partner?

twitter.com/sarahditum/status/1153242426385010688

The person, unusually, spells out TRA logic and sticks to her point somewhat instead of constantly changing the subject, changing the premises and going round in circles, so obviously Sarah wipes the floor with her.

miri1985 · 22/07/2019 21:01

JY is going to be interviewed on 4fm in Ireland at 9pm
www.facebook.com/NiallBoylanAtNight/

www.classichits.ie/player/

OvaHere · 22/07/2019 21:02

I see. My mistake, it all came up in the same thread hence the confusion I guess. Perhaps I should open an account just so I can follow things properly!

dontdoxmeeither · 22/07/2019 21:17

Bookmarking

OvaHere · 22/07/2019 21:54

JY on Irish radio show

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3645271-JY-on-Irish-Radio-now

arranbubonicplague · 22/07/2019 21:56

She may well use her being trans as a weapon against other women, but that doesn't make her not trans. Female predators often use their womanhood as a way to access victims.

As PP say, with the disproportionate emphasis of sex crimes among the relevant demographic and the collection of crime statistics that record sex as asserted - we may soon have a very different perspective on offending behaviour in female predators.

The layers of statistical abuse and wilful distortion of facts is truly shocking and will undermine any attempt to research this (previously small) group of offenders.

OhtheHillsareAlive · 22/07/2019 22:48

Thanks for this second thread.

JY is increasingly reminding me of Humpty Dumpty (and that's not just about their dress sense), but Humpty says in Alice Adventures in Wonderland that "Words mean what I want the to mean" (or something to that effect).

The prevarication (some might say flat-out lying) around his biological sex and genitalia ...

littlbrowndog · 22/07/2019 22:52

Well he admitted on the radio show in Ireland that he has a penis and testicles.

And he was truly busted on that show. He hung up when it became obvious the guy wasn’t going to let him do chit chat on what Yaniv has being used to do at the tribunal hearings.

Great job Niall 🔥🔥

Voice0fReason · 22/07/2019 23:41

I need to catch up on the latest bits from Elsie
She has done an awesome job reporting on this

GirlDownUnder · 23/07/2019 00:20

Jessica Yaniv TRIGGERED on Irish radio! Hangs up mid interview.

YouTube interview - Niall Boylan v JY

JY goes to Twitter cos sooooo offended

mobile.twitter.com/trustednerd/status/1153401816991748096

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GirlDownUnder · 23/07/2019 00:40

Thanks for the link to the radio thread Ova

Without permission but with much thanks to @miri1985 WineThanks from that thread a transcript of the call in.

JY predictably flounced mid way through the interview and turned off the phone so that conversation is over. The interviews are usually available as podcasts the day after but I took some notes (not the fastest typer) that I thought others might be interested in. Well worth listening to when its out as a podcast Niall Boylan (NB) didn't really give an inch.

Some is dialogue (may not be 100% accurate) and some are just notes

NB: Asks for JY's version

NB: Says born Johnathan?

JY: Officially changed name in 2019 has been going by Jessica privately for years

JY: Very complex process to change name, have to change everything. Was going by Johnathan with female as ID for quite some time

NB: All stuff changed but still have male genitalia

JY: I do but still have intersex genitalia

NB: You don't have a vagina

JY: Its complicated

NB: Well you don't

JY: No

NB: Externally that part would look male

NB asks how JY found these women

JY used to use the phone and would get a lot of discrimination so decided to use facebook marketplace so that people could see who JY was

JY claims to have procured an expert witness for next court case from Cleveland Ohio claims a Brazilian does not mean removal of hair from female genitals, it apparently means removal of hair from "belly button to butt" regardless of gender

NB: Is it not called a manzillian or back sack and crack?

JY: Its not

NB: How did you select the ones you wanted to contact? These were female beauticians correct?

JY: There were males too but they provided fake information

JY says there are 3 more cases being heard on on the 26th (not 100% if 26th is correct but its what I wrote)

NB: Is it true looking for 8k per complainant?

JY: Some 3k some 5k, some 7.5k, another 15k due to her husband interfeering in the case! (annoyance palpable by JY that someones husband would interfere when their wife is being extorted)

JY then claims this whole thing is the same as if they came to Ireland and refused service to Irish people. NB disputes this.

JY then says they were just assaulted on skytrain for being trans

NB then says that he doesn't believe JY has the right to have people believe that they are a woman.

NB: I don't believe in God, do you?

JY: I do

NB: I don't believe I respect your faith, that doesn't mean I have to believe in God. What you're asking these women to do is perform a service they don't believe in. Are those women not protected?

JY: No, essentially I am a protected class.

NB: Are these women not protected?Why does your right trump theirs? Thats the concern I have is that those women should be allowed to say no. They're saying we shouldn't be forced to do that

Line goes dead

Tries to get JY back who has turned off their phone.NB says its a shame as they really wanted to talk more about it.

Reads out 2 emails about JY (neither supportive) moves on

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DeRigueurMortis · 23/07/2019 01:30

Shameless placemarking...

GirlDownUnder · 23/07/2019 01:42

Elsie is updating case 3 from the 17th July now

She started transcription on the 20th July here

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1152403630974046208

Updated yesterday

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1153070487347400704

And today’s thread starts here

mobile.twitter.com/goinglikeelsie/status/1153396627723284481

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GirlDownUnder · 23/07/2019 02:35

Martina Navratilova is on it!! See responses to Lily Maynard in this tweet

mobile.twitter.com/LilyLilyMaynard/status/1153421394664919046

Martina’s response

mobile.twitter.com/Martina/status/1153444553925382145

Very good news - more exposure Grin

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GirlDownUnder · 23/07/2019 02:55

Elsie has finished posting for the day, see link ☝️

But lots of us have asked how JY is getting away with not answering the ‘what genitals’ question.

That was bought up again at the end of today’s tweets, relevant bits:

Member - Judge
JC - lawyer for the women
MD - female waxer

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Member says what parts, scrotum, vulva?
JY - the second, vulva
JC continues: Your evidence is that you have a clitoris, labia, a vagina?
JY - won't say
JC - Don't play games, do you know what a vulva is?
JY - external skin around a vagina
JC -No, it is the external female genitals
JY - not saying if has fully formed (vulva)
JC - Does JY have any medical information, an independent exam?

Member stops exam line of questioning

JY - genitals are deformed, embarrassed to tell publically, asks JC, how do we know that you have a fully formed penis & scrotum
JC say he would be upfront

Member tells JY, no more using people in the room as examples

With that, time to break for me. JY's testimony will continue but be broken up so MD can testify and get to work.
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So, I guess in summary the Member is either not happy with this line of questioning as it’s intrusive (or something) or she already knows which way she’s going so the confirmation is unnecessary.

At least JC is pushing it.

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Destinysdaughter · 23/07/2019 05:23

Ricky Gervais called 'transphobe' for defending women...
www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/gabriel-hays/2019/07/22/ricky-gervais-called-transphobe-defending-women-refusing-wax

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