Dave McMullan from BBCR4: "I'd never put any trans women on alongside some horrific terf" [*name edited by MNHQ]

[SunsetBeetch]

sigh

twitter.com/radiosdavemac/status/1151108776981872641?s=19

"I will add that I’ve never put any trans woman on alongside some horrifc TERF. I vetoed it , in fact. Partly just instinct but also cos I didn’t quite understand what was going on with the anti-trans at the time.
I’m now reasonably good at the GRA consultation"

Further on in the thread (in which a number of people try to reason with him, including trans woman Debbie Hayton), he mentions his trans friend Jenny, who seems to have influenced his views, which is understandable I suppose. But still not appropriate behaviour for an employee of the supposed unbiased (ha!) BBC.

The whole account looks like it has jumped. I wonder what else he had posted....

Complaint sent to BBC, with link to archive. There’s screenshots everywhere anyway - you can’t delete anything on the internet.

I fear he will just be rapped with improper social media use rather than anything actually investigated about bias and silencing women.

Oooooh, It's disappeared.

We're very lucky that TheInebriati archived so it's all safe if Dave deleted in error

Be interesting to see how the Beeb deals with this.

Given that they publicly stated that Jenni Murray had been admonished and given an impartiality warning.

They need to make a public statement on this also.

Otherwise it looks like BBC management are colluding to silence and reprimand women publicly while protecting men in private.

Which, let's face it, is not impartial on their part.

I genuinely think that what he said about the No Outsiders protestors is also an issue. Disagree with them sure, but to label them thugs and religious zealots? That's not on. And frankly he made it sound like Panorama had deliberately invited only the worst extremists who object to No Outsiders, in order to discredit everyone who objects to No Outsiders.

If Panorama is acting to suppress legitimate concerns, if the Radio 4 Today programme is acting to suppress legitimate concerns, and if Radio 5 Live (with the McKinnon/Williams debacle) is doing the same, then clearly there is a real issue at the BBC.

The Woke Agenda is being pushed across the board and that needs to be investigated.

Still on Facebook.

And there's this:

www.pscp.tv/radiosdavemac

The wonderful Simon Fanshawe (one of the founders of Stonewall) tweets:

twitter.com/SimonFanshawe/status/1151778652209782791

"This is a disgraceful admission of bias from a journalist. You are trashing the tradition of the BBC. As women will tell you, there is a debate to be had not about Trans people’s right to exist (which is unarguable) but about how we safeguard women and trans people equally".

Clarity of thought and expression, beautifully demonstrated.
Not hard - unless, of course, you feel you have something to gain from obfuscation.

He deleted his tweet said he was unwell at the time 😏🤔🤔

I'm really torn on this

I hate what trial by twitter is doing to society. people make mistakes and say daft things, it shouldn't be career ending

but on the other hand he showed casual misogyny and a bewildering lack of inquisitiveness for a journalist on this issue, so I'm not all that sad if he gets a good spanking from the BEEB.

as someone said up thread, it's going to be VERY interesting to compare and contrast how this is handled compared to the Dame Jeni affair.

Did he wake from a dreamlike state ‘where am I? who am I? Is this a dream?’ like in a bad movie?

Nice try.

Is he gone from Twitter?

I'm also uncomfortable about people losing jobs over tweets, but there needs to be an investigation as to whether GC views are being treated with fairness at the BBC.

I am not uncomfortable with people losing their jobs over their tweets at all when they work for a publicly funded body. He's not some wet behind the ears graduate trainee, he's a senior employee who makes editorial decisions. It is not just the fact that he felt it was acceptable to do it, it's the fact that he had no hesitation in tweeting it which shows how badly things have gone wrong at our national broadcaster which is supposed to be impartial.

I hate what trial by twitter is doing to society. people make mistakes and say daft things, it shouldn't be career ending
Me too. But it's not the tweet, it's the fact that he's in a position to influence public debate on the BBC and he's using this in a biased way. He certainly doesn't seem to be suitable for this position. But also, if he's managed to get his way, that suggests a lack of oversight at the BBC. So both of those things need to be looked into.

He won't lose his job. I really don't think you should lose any sleep over that.

I hate what trial by twitter is doing to society. people make mistakes and say daft things, it shouldn't be career ending

I hate it that men have this much power to cause harm to women, then have excuses made for them.

No, he's not going to lose his job over this.

But if he doesn't want his opinions and bias challenged then he should tweet anonymously, or just tweet uncontroversial things.

I think there must be a strange culture in the BBC for him to not realise the problem with him admitting that his personal opinions (and those of his friends) influence his work to such a degree.

And consider what happened to Rod Liddell, Jenni Murray, Danny Baker. Unless the BBC come down hard (and I'm not suggesting he loses his job but should no longer be in charge of editorial decisions) then basically the BBC is saying that misogyny is fine.

And it's not.

I do have a lot of sympathy with those who're uncomfortable about "trial by twitter" but I'd agree with Orchid in this instance.

This man's position is shocking in its bias and misogyny which is bad enough, but it's completely unacceptable from what appears to be a senior employee of our publicly funded national broadcaster.

I've made a complaint too.

Nobody is even calling for him to lose his job, are they? I just want him to do it properly, and not call women names.

I don’t think anybody should lose their job for holding or expressing an opinion I disagree with.

I do think they should lose their job for not doing their job properly.

He has openly bragged about deliberately excluding GC women from his programme.

Let him find another fucking job.

Others have lost jobs for less.

We're living in an age where you can post videos of yourself wanking in rubber at work, link it to your professional profile, and have your employer, (a children's welfare charity) protect you until they are pushed into an investigation.

I suspect that even if the entire female contingent of MN were to suggest a man who is obliged to maintain reasonably impartial coverage on the news programmes he creates should lose his job for casually admitting he doesn't give a shit about impartiality if it's connected to maintaining women's rights, it wouldn't have much impact...

Where do you get that he said he was unwell, littlbrowndog? I can’t get his twitter profile to load at all, it just stays grey.

His typing was awful, I thought he was probably drunk. He still needs to own what he said - unwell/drunk so his tweets were uninhibited doesn’t excuse his attitude & confessed actions to prevent women being platformed on our national broadcasters foremost current affairs morning radio show.

Notice also how he only engages with Debbie Hayton
Judging by his engagement I don’t think he’s knows much about Debbie Hayton. And judging by his tweets, yeah sounds like he was off his face. Await BBC comment that poor old Dave was ‘tired and emotional’.

he said he was unwell

It's here muckrack.com/dave-mcmullan