Dave McMullan from BBCR4: "I'd never put any trans women on alongside some horrific terf" [*name edited by MNHQ]

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sigh

twitter.com/radiosdavemac/status/1151108776981872641?s=19

"I will add that I’ve never put any trans woman on alongside some horrifc TERF. I vetoed it , in fact. Partly just instinct but also cos I didn’t quite understand what was going on with the anti-trans at the time.
I’m now reasonably good at the GRA consultation"

Further on in the thread (in which a number of people try to reason with him, including trans woman Debbie Hayton), he mentions his trans friend Jenny, who seems to have influenced his views, which is understandable I suppose. But still not appropriate behaviour for an employee of the supposed unbiased (ha!) BBC.

And interesting that he views Peter Tatchell as "authoritative".

When Peter Tatchell is on record as saying that children aged 9 - 13 can have sex with adults and it is not harmful to them. Indeed, it can give them great joy.

Just on the title of this thread, I think his name is Dave McMullan, not Mullen.

Notice the way he has only responded to Debbie (thanks debbie) but still!
He's ignored all the women.

It's 8 am. My mind is blown. This can't be allowed in a democracy. Our concerns are bloody valid.

Did Today ever cover this in a balanced way? Did he manipulate the debate and silence us?

ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?lang=en&reset=&uid=407565228

I’m about to complete this and encourage others to do so too.

Thanks Mrstwiddle will fill that in later.

What's he trying to say though. Is he saying he never put a transwoman live head to head against a gender critical woman? Or that he never gave the gender critical viewpoint a chance to be heard because he believes us to be essentially scum?

It's funny when the TRAs bleat that we are never silenced. Could there be a more vivid example.

I’m about to complete this and encourage others to do so too.
Every little helps but honestly it's complaining to the BBC about the BBC....

Placemarking so I remember to complain. Today gets my goat so much (although I am very pleased the wonderful Sarah Smith is now a presenter since she's the only one who properly challenges the SNP).

It is worth reading the whole twitter thread because the context is important. McMullan was being harangued by Natacha Kennedy over the BBC being "anti-trans" and he made that comment in an attempt to show "pro-trans" credentials. He's still wrong but that's the context.

Also, he isn't saying he would veto GC women (who he calls T*s) on his programmes. He's saying that he would never put one up against a transwoman, presumably because they are very delicate and need to be protected at all times.

But anyway, even though there's context, my summary would be the ever-familiar "bros before hoes".

Reading up the Twitter thread, he seems to have been pushed into proving his woke credentials by Natacha Kennedy.

Reading up the Twitter thread, he seems to have been pushed into proving his woke credentials by Natacha Kennedy.

How many people here are still paying the wages of this man?

And I noted that he casually refers to "We got Bex from Stonewall". First name only since he clearly is familiar with Bex.

And the other person is dismissed as "horrible terf".

He also says:

"But clarify.- my trans friend Jenny says using an anti-trans activist would putting a black man with a cracist!"

Seems like he was drunk or on drugs when he was writing that.

But he was speaking the truth about how he saw the situation.

I agree the bbc are extremely unlikely to do anything, but the more complaints they get the better, I’m just hoping it might have some impact in the future...prob not though!

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Still, no one should be worrying about what old smeary thinks:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-goldsmiths-lecturer-natacha-kennedy-behind-smear-campaign-against-academics-f2zqbl222

I don't feel happy complaining unless I've evidence Radio 4 today never covered our side at all.

Although he's still a fool. We are not horrific. We have genuine and legitimate concerns.

Balance reporting. Hahahaha.
How odd that men feel so empowered to say things like this in public.

Argh am I being to nice?!!!!!!

Argh

And remember when Rachel McKinnon vetoed Nic Williams from appearing on the Stephen Nolan show on Radio Five Live?

BBC denied that McKinnon had vetoed and then flat out lied that Nic Williams had chosen not to appear in the programme.

So, it is not like Dave is just one bad apple.

The entire system at the BBC is set up to silence women.

Yes Popchyk that's a good line of argument. McMullan states he has vetoed those lovely transwomen being exposed to those horrble T*s, and if you then look at how BBC presents the debates, this is actually what has happened. It's a glimpse of what's actually going on behind the curtain.

And Jenni Murray was censored by the BBC for saying that transwomen do not have the same experience as women. Was presented with an "impartiality warning" no less.

So no doubt the Beeb will swing into action this time.

I wouldn't complain to the BBC. I'd complain to Ofcom. This is a producer stating that he didn't understand the issues involved, and decided to make sure women's voices were not given an airing about a government consultation that directly affected them.

I’d suggest a times journo is probably the best sort of person to get involved here - evil murdoch press hating the BBC and all that.
Mr Liddle himself might be inclined to take an interest. Given he got carpeted for less. He might have been intemperate but I don’t recall him actually trying to suppress debate on the programme.

I don't feel happy complaining unless I've evidence Radio 4 today never covered our side at all

Today definitely covered this. They had Lucy Masoud up against Emily Brothers (I think). which led to the immortal line

'I'm not transphobic, I just don't agree with you'

So either Dave wasn't on duty that day or his desire to impress Natacha made him forget some stuff

Quite apart from anything else, if he didn't understand why wasn't he curious? Journalists are supposed to be nosey and ask questions. It's their job.

I don't feel happy complaining unless I've evidence Radio 4 today never covered our side at all

I am also not clear whether he means he did not cover the topic or he did not put trans people face to face with opponents of GRA reform, Katvon, but I think it is ok to ask for clarification.

I don't remember the interview Bernard mentions but I vaguely remember Today had some coverage late in the day in terms of the GRA consultation.

Non coverage was actually worse as whenecer the BBC covered the topic, they would have to present all sides. The whole thing about the GRA consultation was that lack of news coverage meant that very few of the general public knew about it until the last minute.

"Mr Liddle himself might be inclined to take an interest."

Don't send up the bat signal for a misogynist like that. He attacked his pregnant girlfriend.