Feminists only claim to care about lesbians in order to justify transphobia

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Came across this article today. Posted by a friend (ex-friend maybe) who I know would identify with the author.

I fundamentally disagree that the brave new world gives more options than the old one. I'm not even convinced that the numbers of people identifying themselves for statistical purposes as lgbtq+ is useful given the myriad of ways one can identify and fall under stonewall's umbrella.

www.independent.co.uk/voices/lesbians-trans-women-gender-issues-erasure-lgbt-rights-a9005151.html

And because sometimes it only clicky links the second time

www.independent.co.uk/voices/lesbians-trans-women-gender-issues-erasure-lgbt-rights-a9005151.html

What a buffoon of a woman.

It's just "Well no-one tried that on me so it doesn't exist", isn't it. Although I do take her point about how there's a hell of a lot more "Won't someone think of the lesbians?" now than there was before.

If she wants lesbians to fight for themselves and thinks they don't feel any need to, she really ought to talk to the good women of Get The L Out - they seem quite convinced of the need to fight back....

Editor of DIVA magazine. Nuff said

I spent so much of my young life believing I couldn’t be a woman because I didn’t look like one.

In schools now young girls are being told that if this is the case then they are probably trans.

Neither my cousin or myself conform to the female stereotypes, she is a lesbian and I'm straight and it is terrifying to think as teenagers today we would probably both have been trans'd.

While there’s no denying women are marginalised within the LGBT+ movement, this having anything to do with trans people, or trans issues,

It's to do with males. That's who marginalizes women. And that's what she's failing to acknowledge. And she's a mature professionally successful adult. Sexual predators don't typically go for women like her if there are lots of other more vulnerable potential victims about.

She should try being a 19 year old lesbian whose university LGBT soc tells her it's transphobic not to be open to men who identify as women.

If this forum is anything like representative of gender critical women there are a lot more lesbian posters than in the general population. And lesbians here have expressed a desire for the support of other women. Which I am happy to give.

It's so dishonest to say het feminists never cared for lesbians before the current trans shit show. The rights of lesbian women have always been central to my feminism.

Prawn I have heard versions of that so many places. That feminism excluded queer, butch, lesbian (and sometimes non-white) women. 'Feminists excluded me, or would have if I had ever engaged with them, so their refusal to include transwomen is a continuation of a pattern that I recognise.'

It's back to the talking at cross purposes issue. I don't recognise a feminism that isn't centred on the rights of women and on the female experience. The feminism that I have engaged with and the one they are talking about are not one and the same.

It's like describing a toy poodle and the person listening to you picturing a bull mastiff.

I don't recognise a feminism that isn't centred on the rights of women and on the female experience.

Same here.

It's quite simple:

It's not the mature, confident, powerful women who're being bullied about their orientation.

She's no different from mature, well paid conservative women who say they never get harassed, which proves no one does.

Have to tell my mum about this, I remember her saying that when she was younger feminism and lesbianism was almost synonymous, to the point that it became a slur and means of putting other women off the notion altogether. She'll enjoy this latest postcard from the edge of reason.

Confess I haven't read the article yet but isn't OP's title erroneously implying lesbians & feminists are mutually exclusive? Not getting at you, OP, just strikes me it's part & parcel of the rubbish these people believe.

Will get on & read it.

I remember that too FlapsMagazine. Love the username. Is it a dig at Diva?

Last time I picked up a copy of Diva it had a Munroe Bergdorf column & a fawning interview with Susie Green.

I put it straight back on the shelf.

I remember that as well flaps, It was quite effective in putting women off being feminists.

Lesbians have always been central to feminism because so many of them have led feminism. Those lesbians have had a huge commitment to the rights of all women.

I worry that all these issues around gender are going to cause a backlash against lesbians, because they’re lumped in with the T.

Prawnofthepatriarchy
Ha, you'll have to ask Jessica Hynes, it was the women's Mmagazine Daisy interviewed for in Spaced, culminating in the world's most embarrassing "Girl Power".

I thought anyway they'd decided that women with boundaries (aka transphobic) aren't feminist anyway? And what about the many, many feminists who 'claim to care about lesbians' who actually are lesbian and l (gb) T themselves?

The wheels are long since off, the narrative is getting openly battier and more incoherent by the day. And it's unfortunate that each individual piece of lunacy contradicts other pieces of lunacy because it makes it look like this movement (at least the visible bits of it in the media) really does consist of wall to wall nut jobs with no coherent ground they agree on.

with no coherent ground they agree on

Other than 'down with women, especially the ones with boundaries who say no', obvs. That's one the whole movement is behind.

Feminists only claim to care about lesbians in order to justify transphobia

I'm sorry I'm stuck on the cognitive dissonance in that statement which suggests that feminists are a separate group from lesbians.

It's saying lesbians can't be feminists and care about their own rights and well being.

Which is quite the thing.

Not only that but it's literally erasing the life experience of a whole bunch of lesbians!

Quite amazing and demonstrating an enormous amount lack of self awareness.

Same thoughts as Red, we aren't two separate groups.

These "it never happened to me so it doesn't exist" people are a pain in the hole.

It's never happened to me, but I know it's happening to other women, so I'll try to support them. Just as I know that the Dalit in India are abused and oppressed, and would support them if I lived there. Just as I know that there are oil pipelines being forcibly laid across Dakota and the locals have an online presence so it's possible to support them.

It is possible than ever before to read up on stuff if you're not convinced, and see what the people themselves are saying about their lives.

Slightly off topic but I see quite a lot of women on here are anti feminist when it comes to some basic things but are fully on board with anti-trans , anti- pornstitution.

They strike me as right wingers. And all the hand wringing about lesbians does strike me as being out of place when the same women are so NAMALT and what about the men on other feminist topics

A "friend" of mine posted it too, wonder if it's the same person. I didn't want to click on it. It's disappointing when you find people who you thought were solid feminists supporting this crap. I've been on the verge of unfollowing for a while.

Slightly off topic but I see quite a lot of women on here are anti feminist when it comes to some basic things but are fully on board with anti-trans , anti- pornstitution.

Yes, we all have different opinions.