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Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 15:05

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

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JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 19:25

There was a thread a while back? Can't find it to link to but it's there.
One called something like "The use of TIM instead of transwomen"
A poster on there publicly said that the thread had made her eyes open and turned her away.
That'd be proof, I'll try and find it.
You probably still wouldn't believe it even if you saw it though.

Yeah well, one opinion is one opinion. An opinion neither equates with fact nor truth, does it?

Facts create opinions ... that is their difference.

sackrifice · 13/07/2019 19:26

A poster on there publicly said that the thread had made her eyes open and turned her away. That'd be proof, I'll try and find it.

Proof of what...what is your actual point? What is it you disagree with? What evidence is there of whatever point it is you are trying to make?

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 19:27

but your opinion is worthless

Datun - I mean... I could make a facetious comment about how that's the closest I've been to being a woman all day, but that would be churlish Wink

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 13/07/2019 19:31

So we agree that rapists shouldn't be in the general population of a prison

fun fact about Karen White. When he first went to women's prison he was not a rapist as far as anyone knew - he'd been put away for something else.

he then sexually assaulted 4 inmates whilst in prison, and while investigating that, a number of other sexual assaults that he had committed came to light

so by your argument PetrolBastard, at the time he sexually assaulted female prisoners, he was correctly in women's prison

I know you won't answer, but a little something to think on....

Ereshkigal · 13/07/2019 19:31
Grin
Ereshkigal · 13/07/2019 19:32

That was to Hamster, obvs, not Karen White.

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 19:32

Roses:

Women can be misogynists too.

Being a woman yourself does not mean you aren’t sexist or misogynist.

Any woman who would put the mental illness or gender feelings of men over the safety of women and girls to me is indeed misogynist.

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:32

Datun - I mean... I could make a facetious comment about how that's the closest I've been to being a woman all day, but that would be churlish wink

🤣

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:34

So Rose, those 76 kids? What on earth do you think is the reason? Do you even care?

What if they went on puberty blockers? Resulting in bone density lower than all their peers?

What do you make of that?

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 19:35

A poster on there publicly said that the thread had made her eyes open and turned her away. That'd be proof, I'll try and find it.

Please do as I think that will just confirm my recollection. If it is the same thread I am thinking of and poster, that poster was disingenuous that the thread opened their eyes as they came into it with an agenda.

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 19:36

I suspect they'll be collecting their 76 pensions before anyone gets an answer to that...Grin

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 19:37

I do find it interesting neither Roses or Petrol see fit to wander over to the threads about Laurel Hubbard or JY on front page right now. I guess hard to police language of women when reality would be staring them right on their face.

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 19:38

I remember that thread.

There were umpty pages of 'well I was totally GC, but look at you all being meeeeeaaannn' sealioning.

It's a script.

Ereshkigal · 13/07/2019 19:38

Please do as I think that will just confirm my recollection. If it is the same thread I am thinking of and poster, that poster was disingenuous that the thread opened their eyes as they came into it with an agenda.

Sounds familiar.

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:49

Proof of what...what is your actual point?

Are you reading the thread? Somebody said it can't be proved that people are actively being turned away - if I can't show it, it didn't happen.
I've realised there is a way to prove it. It was a name I'd seen around the boards on MN for ages as well.

Please do
OK, I'm looking for it. Not sure why you'd want it resurrecting though.

There were umpty pages of 'well I was totally GC, but look at you all being meeeeeaaannn' sealioning
See, even when it's in front of your faces, you refuse to see it, so what is the actual point?
You and others clearly remember the thread but come out with stuff like that instead.
I'm backing up what I'm saying like askes but it's still nope, didn't happen it was a sealion Confused
It was a name that I'd seen around for ages.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 13/07/2019 19:49

You lot have got more patience with this little tag team than I do. Still it's nice to see Hamster again - haven't noticed your name for ages (though I'm notoriously unobservant). And 👋 to NiceRadFem.

I think I'll just sit back and chill.

LangCleg · 13/07/2019 19:50

are kept segregated and in a separate wing

But the separate wing turned out to be basically cells only and communal areas, including showers, were mixed.

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 19:56

Honestly, Roses, it was a name I'd seen around lots as well. Invariably posting the same thing, but never substantiating their arguments or considering anything tricky or asking/answering questions.

The 'oh I was definitely totes GC but now I've changed my mind because of you lot' shtick didn't, IIRC, work consistently with their posting history.

So there was that.

But mostly, I didn't find that poster's argument convincing, because they weren't really making much of an argument. I have the same issue with your posts, tbh.

Sorry - I'm not deliberately trying to be horrible, honestly. Just frustrated...

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 19:58

Are you reading the thread? Somebody said it can't be proved that people are actively being turned away - if I can't show it, it didn't happen.
I've realised there is a way to prove it. It was a name I'd seen around the boards on MN for ages as well.

Roses .. the point here is that, if you have no objective evidence to support any assertion you make, you cannot demand that we "take your word for it"!

The only humans I know who demand that women take their word for it are males .. and you tell us you are a female a [woman].

littlbrowndog · 13/07/2019 19:59

There was Lang. There was letters from women prisoners in the prison newspaper where the women prisoners said they were harassed by these men and felt fear

Imagine being where you can’t escape from that

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 19:59

Thanks Prawn. I lurk a lot and just stick my head in occasionally. I'm still about - just quiet usually.

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 20:00

OK, I'm looking for it. Not sure why you'd want it resurrecting though.

Because you are the one that referred to us as proof. Don’t turn it around on me. I don’t fall for those DARVO tactics.

I am not worried about it “resurrecting”. I doubt other regulars here are either. We like sunlight.

sackrifice · 13/07/2019 20:01

Are you reading the thread? Somebody said it can't be proved that people are actively being turned away - if I can't show it, it didn't happen

I was actually wondering what your actual point of posting in the first place was.

So it basically is 'stop being mean it turns people off' - that's it?

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 20:01

Invariably posting the same thing, but never substantiating their arguments or considering anything tricky or asking/answering questions
I had seen her post GC though, so you're re-writing it there.

BitOfFun · 13/07/2019 20:02

One swallow does not a summer make.