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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Peak Transing

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Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 15:05

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

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PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 18:56

Roses - with you on the segregated wing!

I think it shouldn't be in a women's prison - as someone posted earlier, women's jails aren't often set up for really high security prisoners/high risk individuals.

But most TRAs would argue that this is automatically treating transwomen differently from how women who have committed equivalent offences are treated (after all if 50% of transwomen in prison are sex offenders, presumably the other 50% aren't?), & therefore unfair & indeed transphobic.

Do you think that's correct?

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 18:57

Posting another excerpt from my link above as I am still wondering why Petrol thinks transpeople advocating for a third space (ie toilet) is impractical when women had to fight so hard for their own sex segregated spaces (and did even have a legal right to a
women’s toilet until 1992). Why is Petrol so eager to give over what women fought for for 150 years back to males?:

Then a second group emerged called the Union of Women’s Liberal and Radical Associations, which campaigned for working class women to have public toilets in Camden. In 1898 the members wrote to The Vestry in Camden for toilet access for women in the already existing men’s toilets. However, the plans for a women’s toilet were set back by several years as men opposed the women’s toilets being situated next to the men’s.

In some cases, plans for women’s toilets were deliberately sabotaged. When a model of a women’s toilet was set up on the pavement in Camden High Street, hansom cabs (driven by men) deliberately drove into the model toilet to demonstrate that it was situated in a most inconvenient position!

Suffragettes are famous for campaigning for the right to vote but they also campaigned for the right to serve, achieved in 1915. By the end of World War One, over 700,000 to 1 million women had become ‘munitionettes’, slang for women who had gone into munition factory work to support the war effort.

However, as women were now entering previously male-dominated professions, they began to campaign for better facilities such as changing rooms and toilets. Some employers did not want to install women’s toilets, especially after the war, as they believed that women were stealing men’s employment: quite legal at the time, as there were only limited protections for workers.

Nowadays however, under the 1992 Workplace Regulations, not ensuring that men and women have separate toilet facilities is illegal for employers.

www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/History-of-Womens-Public-Toilets-in-Britain/

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 18:58

But what do you think of 76 kids transitioning in one school?

It's so bizarre - you'll keep asking and asking others the same question over and over wanting an answer but somebody asks you just one question once and it's "no." I don't have to."

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 18:59

Oh my!

How wonderful are both Roses and Petrol in generating Peak Trans in others?

Keep going you two .. you save us so much effort. Thank you.

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 18:59

So are those 76 kids a total mystery to you then? No idea what might be going on there AT ALL?

FeministCat · 13/07/2019 19:00

It's so bizarre - you'll keep asking and asking others the same question over and over wanting an answer but somebody asks you just one question once and it's "no." I don't have to."

Perhaps your deflection tactics work in circles you are used to or amongst others who aren’t educated on the topic, but it’s very transparent amongst the women here.

Why don’t you just answer the question instead of deflecting, avoiding, and ignoring it?

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:02

Keep going you two .. you save us so much effort. Thank you

Will do, you're welcome, as I've said it works both ways and people make their own mind up and it turns people away from your viewpoint which is a shame really, I think so anyway

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:05

What circles? I'm not in any circles.
Just a woman on here with some views that differ to yours (even though we agree on a lot too like Self ID for one)

DickKerrLadies · 13/07/2019 19:05

I'm confused. Has there been a change in regulations that means transwomen are now housed separately to female prisoners?

If so, I missed that and it's a shame it took women being raped to change it.

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:10

How wonderful are both Roses and Petrol in generating Peak Trans in others

Honestly, you couldn't script it!

🤣🤣

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:10

So roses, what do you think of the 76 kids transitioning at once?

PurpleCrowbar · 13/07/2019 19:11

DickKerrLake - it was proposed, but seems to have gone awfully quiet.

Here's another transwoman for Petrol to ignore on the subject...

transgender wings

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:11

Honestly, you couldn't script it!

You're right there at least Datun, Smile

sackrifice · 13/07/2019 19:12

even though we agree on a lot too like Self ID for one

So you agree on self ID, ok that's a start.

So what has to happen in order for a 'transition' to have taken place?

At what point does a man become a woman?

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:13

Rose, Or the reason why transwomen in prison are four times the number of tw out of prison?

Pertinent points, salient points. Would you care to address any? One?

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 19:13

Will do, you're welcome, as I've said it works both ways

And yet, you can provide no evidence whatsoever to support such an assertion.

How very odd!

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 19:15

I went and made some food, came back and nothing's changed. Wow Grin

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:16

And yet, you can provide no evidence whatsoever to support such an assertion

As I said, I'm not sure how to provide evidence without posting messages.
It does happen though, and I appreciate you only have my word for that so could be saying anything.

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:19

I went and made some food, came back and nothing's changed. Wow grin

It won't. You are a transwomen but your opinion is worthless because there are one or two people here who hate women, and are using your gender dysphoria as a shield.

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 19:20

Just a woman on here with some views that differ to yours

Ok .. the pedant in me is aroused!

It is differ from never differ to*!

Differences 'lean away from each other'

Similarities 'lean toward each other'.

Hence, different from and similar to.

And Never "different than "!

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:20

There was a thread a while back? Can't find it to link to but it's there.
One called something like "The use of TIM instead of transwomen"
A poster on there publicly said that the thread had made her eyes open and turned her away.
That'd be proof, I'll try and find it.
You probably still wouldn't believe it even if you saw it though.

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 19:22

It won't. You are a transwomen but your opinion is worthless because there are one or two people here who hate women

I've certainly never said her opinion is worthless, I said why would my opinion change just because a transwoman disagrees with me?
And of course I don't hate women, far from it. As I am one.

Ereshkigal · 13/07/2019 19:24

Ereshkigal I have no issue with being called "he" or referred to with male pronouns. That damn pesky "Y" chromosome and all that...

Yes :) I more meant female people (non binary, genderfluid etc) aren't allowed to call themselves "trans women" by the TRAs.

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 19:24

Ah now we hate women again! Grin

Datun · 13/07/2019 19:25

Rose, I can only acknowledge the significance of that, if you can show me how access to this site has diminished by these boards, not massively increased.

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