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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

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Apollo440 · 12/07/2019 15:05

This thread on AIBU has been joined by some aggressive TRAs who are doing sterling work peak transing the more delicate areas of mumsnet.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3634784-to-not-want-to-sign-off-my-emails-with-preferred-pronouns

Real TWAW No debate or your c*nts type. Carry on I say!

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JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 16:42

I am the poster former known as Lifepanic1234 - you have radicalised me!

Nice one! LOL

BickerinBrattle · 13/07/2019 16:48

The United Nations Bangkok Proticils in the treatment of prisoners states that the gold standard in care for female prisoners is to not even have male guards. Gold standard also is to ensure that female and male prisoners are to be housed in completely separate buildings.

The UN clearly states that housing male and female prisoners together is a violation of female human rights.

Similarly, when establishing refugee camps, the UN, after NOT doing so and having then to cope with what they called “rape camps”, now, as the very first order of business, establishes clearly separate, sex-segregated toilet and shower facilities.

In England, women marched in the streets for the first female-only toilets, because until then the only public toilets were unisex, and women were assaulted in them. When the first women-only toilet was built, men burned it down that night.

It is not new for men to agitate against women-only ANYTHING. It is only new that now they are doing so by claiming g they themselves are also women.

Meanwhile, all of the reasons that the UN took into account in developing the Bangkok Protocols and in changing how they provide sanitation services in refugee camps still exist for women all over the world, including the U.K.

The willful blindness to the extent and harms of male violence against women and girls, including “lesser” acts of harassment, exposure, and voyeurism, some of which are only precursors to greater violence for some males, is misogyny.

The insistence on privileging the feelings of males over the safety of women and girls is misogyny.

The insistence of privileging subjectivity over material reality constitutes reactionary politics and is antithetical to left-wing socialism.

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 16:55

Very well said BickerinBrattle

Bit this is an issue for all females everywhere in the world, not just socialists.

Feminism that works to liberate females from male oppression is neither left or right wing politically .. it is for all females everywhere.

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:00

They're not my favourite band. Just one of the bands I like. But the name amuses me.

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:04

I have to say, I'm not particularly keen on the lifting of male oppression from me being at the cost of being unable to state my opinion without being massively insulted. I can't remember the last time a man accused me of being a robot. Not sure I really fancy this liberation either.

littlbrowndog · 13/07/2019 17:04

Bickerin. Nailed it.

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JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 17:07

What I mean to say is that radical feminism has moved on possibly.

It's original analysis may have been from socialist ideology but, today, it is now obvious how misogynist those who label themselves as socialist are.

So let's reject any relationship of feminism with socialism today because to do otherwise is to honour a relationship of feminism with misogyny and sexism.

XXcstatic · 13/07/2019 17:08

This never gets old.

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JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 17:10

I'm not particularly keen on the lifting of male oppression from me being at the cost of being unable to state my opinion without being massively insulted. I can't remember the last time a man accused me of being a robot. Not sure I really fancy this liberation either.

Then why are you here, Petrol?

Feminism's aim is to liberate females the world over from sexual oppression by males.

This is the Feminism Chat section of Mumsnet. If you are unable to subscribe to the liberation of the female sex from male sexual oppression why are you here?

Hamster00 · 13/07/2019 17:13

I WAS managing to follow this thread up to 5/6 then my brain gave up. I am now officially identifying as "confused" Confused. My pronouns are now "Huh" / "Wtf".

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:13

Oh sorry, am I some kind of lower class of female because I don't share precisely your viewpoints?

Sounds a bit of a dark point of view I must say.

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 17:14

Hamster00 Grin

DtPeabodysLoosePants · 13/07/2019 17:15

Oh hear we go again with the dark. The abyss. The unwellness of posters 🙄

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 17:16

XXcstatic Perfect timing! Smile

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:16

Yeah, it is pretty bleak to witness actually. There really is no bigger evil than that which is done for your own good.

XXcstatic · 13/07/2019 17:17

Just so you know, Petrol and Rosie, we are well aware of what you are trying to do. Your tactics are familiar from Twitter. (Yes, yes, I know you have no idea what I'm talking about and will be all bewildered innocence - that's familiar too.)

The reason that we keep replying is that we know how many women are lurkers on this forum. Some of the questions that you are pretending to pose in good faith are questions that these lurkers genuinely need answered. They are new to the GC debate, and are unaware of the difference in ideology between ordinary trans people, who just want to be left in peace, and TRAs. We can never provide answers that will satisfy you, because you are not really asking the questions in good faith. But we can inform lurkers, and help them to understand the threat to women's rights posed by TRAs and self-ID.

So keep going: you are the GC movement's useful idiots Flowers

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 17:18

Oh sorry, am I some kind of lower class of female because I don't share precisely your viewpoints? Sounds a bit of a dark point of view I must say

That's what gets me about it all as well - why shouldn't we be here?
Why are we always men, or told I expect silence from you for a bit, or a robot or MRA or whatever if we don't agree with absolutely everything that's said?
The stupid thing is we probably agree on quite a bit (self ID for one)
but you turn more and more away by mocking and trying to quiet other women by dismissing them.
Maybe some do go away as a result, but why should they?

JackyHolyoake · 13/07/2019 17:18

Oh sorry, am I some kind of lower class of female because I don't share precisely your viewpoints?

Am I meant to assume that this is your response to my direct post to you above?

If you don't understand feminism and don't wish to learn about feminism, why are you here?

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:18

I'm not on Twitter and never have been.

Conspiracy theories are not productive!

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:19

Are you the arbiter of feminism now?

sackrifice · 13/07/2019 17:20

Hello mad thread! I am the poster former known as Lifepanic1234 - you have radicalised me!

Prove it, you could be anyone...

Yeah, it is pretty bleak to witness actually. There really is no bigger evil than that which is done for your own good

Women wanting other women not to be raped by men in jail is bleak? and dark? What?

RosesAndRaindrops · 13/07/2019 17:20

Your tactics are familiar from Twitter.
I have never posted anything on Twitter about anything to do with trans so I wouldn't know, if you're insinuating I'm a Twitter TRA activist or something?
The only things I post on Twitter are things like something funny the kids might have said earlier, or RT'ing funny quotes or blog posts I've liked.

XXcstatic · 13/07/2019 17:22

Yes, yes, I know you have no idea what I'm talking about and will be all bewildered innocence - that's familiar too

Tick from both of you.

Keep going..

sackrifice · 13/07/2019 17:22

Why are we always men, or told I expect silence from you for a bit, or a robot or MRA or whatever if we don't agree with absolutely everything that's said?

I've witnessed hundreds of men over the years, coming on here, mansplaining feminism to us silly women.

I just noticed that you did exactly the same. I didn't say you were a man.

PetrolBastard · 13/07/2019 17:22

Do you think anyone on this thread wants women to be raped?

I've certainly been accused of it on here. That's what's really, really dark. And the weird conspiracy theories. That's pretty dark as well. And just the general thinking that it's ok to call other people stupid etc because you're 'liberating' them.