Birthing mother abused for refusing male nurse

[sakura184]

This kind of crap is why I opted for homebirths

pjmedia.com/parenting/colorado-doula-and-assault-survivor-investigated-by-dhs-for-refusing-male-nurse-during-birth/

Exactly @Aaarrgghhh, no-one has said it - at least there's still some reason on the thread!

Sakura - what you're posting repeatedly now?
That's what we were saying isn't a healthy way to live.
Not your right to a female.

I assume most women prefer female caregivers - I know whenever I say that on here, someone always comes on and says "well I wouldn't, I don't care!" but I've never met a woman who wouldn't have a preference for a female nurse examining their cervix

I have no preference. I've never had a smear done by a man but it wouldn't bother me. I've had gynaecological examinations done by a male consultant. It didn't bother me at all. I would not express any preference for a man or a woman for any medical procedure and I'm happy to take whomever is available.

Maybe you should stop making assumptions about women. I definitely would not want a health care provider who did.

You just proved my point, Lass. I didn't make assumptions about all women - I very specifically talked about the women I know.

Maybe you should stop making assumptions about women. I definitely would not want a health care provider who did

I can safely say I know who'd be more comfortable around and it definitely isn't some on this thread!
I mean WTF, the twisting is amazing.

I can safely say I know who'd be more comfortable around and it definitely isn't some on this thread!

Well, if women standing up for women's rights makes you uncomfortable, you're on the wrong board. Perhaps stick to Madigan's twitter... certainly none of that there.

You just proved my point, Lass. I didn't make assumptions about all women - I very specifically talked about the women I know

I think you have a bit of a comprehensive fail here.

Firstly I didn't say all women.

Secondly these are your exact words

I assume most women prefer female caregivers

Most women- you are making assumptions about most women.

Comprehension fail.

Well, if women standing up for women's rights makes you uncomfortable, you're on the wrong board

How is it not sticking up for women's rights to say women should be able to have a choice? Which the OP was taking away by saying they shouldn't be there in the first place and stealing all the jobs and there for nefarious purposes?
I have always said you should have a choice.
Some women seem hellbent on wanting to take other women's choices away and THAT'S what I meant by being uncomfortable with.

Comprehension fail

Seems to be some massive comprehensive fails on here tonight, and a major re-write as to what I and someone else said to unsuspecting newcomers.

From my experience. Are we not allowed to talk about our own experiences here?

All the women I've ever met who I've talked about this with have preferred a female. Therefore, I've always assumed that most women would prefer it. A fair assumption based on my experience, surely?

I then said that whenever I say that on here, someone always comes on and says "I don't, I don't care!" - which you did. Proving my point.

Most women- you are making assumptions about most women

Exactly - you can;t possibly speak for most women. As you don't know all women to possibly guess.

Ooooh, nice deflections from the stories of men coming to light who like to exercise their sexual fetishes in the workplace though!

Men with "pregnant women" fetishes, men with er, cervical dilation fetishes, men who like to wank at work in rubber gear who work for children's charities....

That's what I meant by being uncomfortable with

I'm not comfortable at a woman saying "I assume most women do x , y or z" and being as dismissive as Zebra has just been at the idea that perhaps she should not make assumptions.

I'm not comfortable at a woman saying "I assume most women do x , y or z" and being as dismissive as Zebra has just been at the idea that perhaps she should not make assumptions.

Same, neither am I.

Ooooh, nice deflections from the stories of men coming to light who like to exercise their sexual fetishes in the workplace though!

Not a deflection, just saying you do not get to make assumptions about other women, or take choice away which the OP wanted.
Surely you can see why people are disagreeing with that.

I then said that whenever I say that on here, someone always comes on and says "I don't, I don't care!" - which you did. Proving my point

So I'm supposed to keep quiet about the fact your assumption was wrong ?

And how bloody arrogant of you by the way. All the talk about "silencing women" that goes on here yet you have the nerve to crow that you think you have scored some cheap point.

*Ooooh, nice deflections from the stories of men coming to light who like to exercise their sexual fetishes in the workplace though!

Men with "pregnant women" fetishes, men with er, cervical dilation fetishes, men who like to wank at work in rubber gear who work for children's charities....*

From what Gail Dines has written it seems that porn where the woman doesn't seem to like it is in huge demand. .
With this in mind, do you think that a fetishist would get more excitement if the woman clearly didn't want an internal examination from him as opposed to a woman who happily complied?

If I say most women, Lass - it does not mean I was referring to you. Most does not mean all.

It wold be interesting to see a poll on how many women would prefer a female doing their smear test though.

I then said that whenever I say that on here, someone always comes on and says "I don't, I don't care!" - which you did. Proving my point

No, you said "most women prefer" and Lass said "I don't have any preference, I;m not bothered at all*
Presumably because she's a woman and you'd just made a huge assumption that most women do have a preference.
So she said no, actually I don't.
Yes you are able to talk about your experience. Why aren't others so easily allowed to talk about theirs though?
She has no preference. As do I. Our choices are just as valid.

If I say most women, Lass - it does not mean I was referring to you. Most does not mean all

You still said most women with a tag on of "someone always comes to say I don't care"
So when somebody says "I don't have a preference" you can say "ha, you proved my point there!"
It's dismissing others experiences which is just as valid as yours.

Crossposted with you, Lass

So I'm supposed to keep quiet about the fact your assumption was wrong ?

That's basically what I was saying - it is a form of silencing, you're right.
At the very least dismissive.

From what Gail Dines has written it seems that porn where the woman doesn't seem to like it is in huge demand. .

Sadly, I've read this is the case too. Everything from hidden camera voyeurism, to rape scenes.

I don't see how people are so naive as to think this wouldn't translate into the real world too - with men seeking jobs where they can voyeuristically intimately treat women, or worse.

So we should stay away from all men because some might like porn?
Erm, no.
You crack on with that if you want though.

I don't see how people are so naive as to think this wouldn't translate into the real world too - with men seeking jobs where they can voyeuristically intimately treat women, or worse.

That's why I mentioned cases of doctors who give episiotomies to all the women they assist to the horror of midwives, who try to avoid episiotomy. This goes further than voyerism and negligence and straight into sadism