Birthing mother abused for refusing male nurse

[sakura184]

This kind of crap is why I opted for homebirths

pjmedia.com/parenting/colorado-doula-and-assault-survivor-investigated-by-dhs-for-refusing-male-nurse-during-birth/

@RosesAndRaindrops exactly! Because I don't think all trans men want to attack women I'm not a feminist apparently. That's just rubbish. Total rubbish. There isn't one feminism anyway. There are many. There isn't one 'best' way to give birth. There are many. Telling women what they 'should' think is rubbish. Telling women that all men are dangerous is wrong. And actually offensive.

@Justhadathought how the hell is it similar. These people are qualified. Why would you assume they did it as a power kick over women. I have taught loads of students who have gone into medicine. Because they want to help people. And make money.

@Aaarrgghhh

Go and tell the women on the trans threads that you, personally , are fine with men in the women's toilets ( I assume you are- if not I'd ask why not). Tell them that because you're okay with it, they shouldn't have a problem with it either

Because I don't think all trans men want to attack women I'm not a feminist apparently. That's just rubbish. Total rubbish. There isn't one feminism anyway. There are many. There isn't one 'best' way to give birth. There are many. Telling women what they 'should' think is rubbish. Telling women that all men are dangerous is wrong. And actually offensive

Same and well said. I honestly don't recognise what it's become on here lately.

You can’t see the difference between a man saving a life or simply ensuring a safe delivery, and any random in the street? If there is no female on staff one can not be magically called in would you seriously refuse a male? Why? Why risk yourself?

Obviously in a hospital setting it is going to be nigh on impossible to control your environment, or who is in it......and that is why many women, ideally, would want for a home birth.Once you are in a hospital setting the 'institution' takes over, and you end up being processed; as soon as you step through the door. You have to surrender to 'the system' whether you like it or not.

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haven't read through this tread in any detail at all - but the general tone seems to be very angry.

People are absolutely incensed that I'm saying some women want an all female team/ female midwife for their birth.

It is totally and utterly taboo and a thought crime

I don’t think the trans debate is relevant here at all but again you have made assumptions that just aren't true. If it helps to pint a picture on my views in the trans debate, I’d class myself as gender critical. I’m not going to debate or reason about that on here though because it’s not what this thread is about, no matter how much you try to change it’s meaning, yet again.

how the hell is it similar

i'm not sure why you feel the need to issue such emotive language in response to a reasoned and considered post? A a result you are jumping to incorrect and ill considered conclusions about what I have said, or am saying.

Some women prefer to have female practitioners for intimate care - it is as simple as that.

Telling women what they 'should' think is rubbish.

Tell me about it！ People will not accept I have a different opinion to them. And you're all coming on here basically acting like I'm committing a thought crime.

You will not let the discussion be had, develop, move forward, nothing. The discussion is at a standstill

haven't read through this tread in any detail at all - but the general tone seems to be very angry.

I'd suggest giving it a read

People are absolutely incensed that I'm saying some women want an all female team/ female midwife for their birth

Erm, no they're not. I've even said there's nothing wrong with having and wanting a female for your birth.
You also said males shouldn't be there at all. How do you propose to do that then?
Making there even less staff on hand to help if need be?

@Aaarrgghhh

The trans debate is completely relevant . Are you happy with men in women's toilets? If not, why not? If so, go and tell the hundreds of women all over FWR that they're wrong and you're right

People are absolutely incensed that I'm saying some women want an all female team/ female midwife for their birth.

That simply isn’t true. It’s your demand that no men should ever be allow near a woman giving birth except of course you’re partner was there, they shouldn’t even be allowed to train in midwifery etc even though numbers are low and women are leaving in droves. So who benefits from your ideals? Any time I ask a question, you seem to avoid because you cannot answer you just come back with sound bites about shit that isn’t even relevant.

I don’t think the trans debate is relevant here

It certainly is connected to the issues and points around privacy and dignity in intimate female 'situations'.

Can you not read?

women are leaving in droves

Why are women leaving in droves? Genuine question.

@Justhadathought

It's also connected to the fact that women don't know the safe guys from the porn watching rapists. We can't know. So we exclude all men.

Can you not read?

Why are you so rude?

When I was very young ( late teens) I was given an intimate procedure by a male doctor who 'positioned' me in what most would have considered sexual poses, for the exam. It felt very weird and uncomfortable, and I could see on the face of the attending nurse that she felt so too.

But, some of the women could be violent, abusive, or racist or homophobic or anything else you don't like. You don't know. Your justification would be a justification for excluding all people who were not previously known to you. Not all men. It also isn't what the thread started out about. You change the boundaries all the time.

@Justhadathought that's terrible but not a reason to exclude all men from healthcare in the way @sakura184 has explored

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But, some of the women could be violent, abusive, or racist or homophobic or anything else you don't like. You don't know

So could any of the women I encounter in the toilets. So why do we only exclude men? Why do FWR want a bathroom policy that excludes men?

But, some of the women could be violent, abusive, or racist or homophobic or anything else you don't like. You don't know

I've repeated at length that it's important to gain a rapport with your midwife during pregnancy. Why is this point being consistently overlooked?
If you don't like her you should request another one

@GrammarTeacher

I haven't said to exclude all men from healthcare. I'm not sure what the term straw man actually means, but I think this argument is one

@sakura184 I never saw the same midwife twice. The only one I would have complained about was bank staff. So the clue is right there. There was no one else.
And given anyone could attack you in the toilets (and men are far and away the biggest victims of violent crime anyway) surely the right thing to campaign for is separate cubicles (with sinks and floor to ceiling walls and doors).

@sakura184 ok sorry just from one aspect of healthcare. Except specialities cross over as has been pointed out to you.