Women don't have penises

[jellybean85]

Just in service station and it seems the word is spreading! See next comment for pic

Jacky is right - the Equalities Act 2010 includes among its protected characteristics sex and gender identity.

It is perfectly legal to provide single sex (not single gender) services and facilities where it can be demonstrated that there is a proportionate need for such services.

So it is perfectly legal to exclude transwomen from single sex, open plan changing rooms, set up single sex counselling services for rape victims, exclude transwomen from sports teams on the grounds of fairness.

This is what English law currently says on the matter. This is why TRAs are so keen to repeal the Equalities Act - because at the moment it does not say what they want it to, it says the opposite.

I've already said that the landowner can ask you to leave if they choose to. But you can't call the police to have someone kicked out if you feel like it. Because that person hasn't committed a crime because being in the women's toilet is not a criminal offence.

Well, you could actually. You (licensee/manager etc) ask them to leave the premises. If they refuse, you are perfectly within your rights to remove them with reasonable force, or to call the police & have them moved on.

If, as a licensee/manager, you do call the cops constantly because you've barred people just for looking at you funny, they will get pissed off with you, sure.

But if you have told a customer you want him to leave (for example, because he won't stay out of the Ladies despite being asked to do so), you can remove him, & request police assistance.

Whether your punter then gets arrested depends on how he behaves with the nice police officer telling him firmly to do one...

You, the patron, can't call the police to have random people removed. You, the landowner, can. Or you, the patron, could request the landowner to take this action on your behalf.

It's not illegal to be in the bathroom in of itself.

But you can't call the police to have someone kicked out if you feel like it.

What is wrong with your understanding?

We're talking about erasing the category of women.

All women shortlists to now include men. I mean what's the fucking point?

Creepy men being able to take rape refuges to court because they are demanding they are recruited as a counsellor.

Mediocre men winning medals and beating women in sport, because they are demanding they get included in the female category.

People like Pips Bunce, who cross dresses a couple of times a week, but the other times wears a male suit, winning awards designed for women. Designed to encourage women in business. Not cross dressing men.

Transactivists who gave evidence to the women and equalities committee, who, variously, advocate for extreme porn where the viewer is left in some doubt as to whether the woman has actually been killed, or expose their penis in public, and encourage young boys to do the same.

Or tw who take labour women's officer jobs and set up a Facebook group to oust women who disagree with it from the party.

Or transactivists who advocate for releasing every single trans prisoner from jail. And was another TRA asked to give evidence to Parliament to the women and equality committee, ffs.

These are all, documented, evidenced situations.

Allowing a world where a convicted rapist and someone who has openly, blatantly, expressed a sexual interest in children, to be incarcerated in a woman's prison that has a mother and baby unit!

But you, you want to go off on some fucking nonsense journey of listed buildings and fictional people, in order to tell women to shut the fuck up.

What is wrong with you?

You, the patron, can't call the police to have random people removed. You, the landowner, can. Or you, the patron, could request the landowner to take this action on your behalf.

You introduce a red herring here, Petrol. Land ownership has nothing to do with this. Land ownership is remote from proprietorship / management of premises, since most commercial premises are leasehold.

The commercial premises leaseholder has the liability to comply with UK law since it is the commercial premises leaseholder who interacts with the public.

I'm not a paranoid maniac who thinks machines are messaging me on the internet and there's a conspiracy to destroy womankind. That's what.

Theres a simple solution, make mens spaces and services unisex and leave the womens alone.

It's irrelevant who owns the property. It's not illegal to be in the toilet.

It is becoming impossible to challenge men in womens spaces though, thanks to the cries of transphobia and bigotry.

Yes, exactly Petrol. As another customer, your recourse would be to complain to the person (not necessarily the landowner - could be a manager) who is in charge of the premises.

As the person in charge, your recourse would be ask the person in the wrong loo to use the correct facilities for their sex & stay out of the incorrect ones > ask them to leave the premises altogether if they refuse > remove them yourself/get security if available to remove them/call the police if they won't leave peacefully.

Glad that's now clear!

Meanwhile, as someone who's run loads of bars, I'd want that poor desperate transperson to have an appropriate toilet they were able to use comfortably. I might designate the cubicle in the Gents unisex if nowhere to put in another unisex separate self contained facility.

It's irrelevant who owns the property. It's not illegal to be in the toilet

Derailing, childish wankery.

Haha, someone conceded a point that no one gives a shit about, therefore I'm right about everything and you're all mean.

I'm just transported back in time dealing with a toddler.

Beyond that, where the landowner is the entity that interacts with the public directly, it is the liability of the landowner to comply with UK law.

In other words it is the legal entity that interacts with the public that has the liability.

But... but... but...

DID ANYONE FIND OUT WHICH GENDER IDENTITY IS THE CORRECT ONE TO USE FOR A STRAW PERSON YET?

It still doesn't make it illegal to be in the toilet. It is not a crime.

DOnt know Lang, but it’s a good thing pubs are no smoking these days

It's not illegal to be in the toilet

It is, in UK Civil Law, if a woman objects to a male using the female facility, as section 6 of Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010 states.

The liability lies with the owner or manager if such a facility.

Beyond that, if there is an incidence of voyeurism, indecent exposure or other sexual offence in such a space this is a matter for criminal law via the Sexual Offences Act 2003.

I can't fathom the mind set of people who want to enable abusers. The idea that we have to drop all safeguarding, wait for someone to be harmed, then go through an imaginary process of justice is borne from malice, ignorance or privilege.

Refusing to believe that human beings can change sex isn't hatred. Pointing out that men who identify as women are still men isn't hatred. Refusing to believe in the incoherent nonsense that is gender ideology isn't hatred either. I don't have to agree and play along with its tenets any more than I have to those of Hinduism.

Men as a class are responsible for nearly all sex and violent crime. A huge number of women are sexually assaulted. It's not rare.

For this reason all the aid agencies prioritize the provision of woman only spaces for toileting. Women need female only spaces, from hospital wards to sleeper trains, in order to access the public square.

TRAs are trying everything they can to make these spaces mixed sex. Most women (and a lot of men) object vigorously. So there's increasing pushback - and this is growing every time the general public becomes aware of what is actually being demanded - and who's demanding it.

Most people (I used to be one of them) understand that we were talking about a tiny number of hugely vulnerable, dysphoric transsexuals who'd had all the surgery. I've found that as soon as they realise this bears no resemblance to the truth people peak within a couple of minutes.

I want as much sunlight shone on TRA nonsense as possible.

No, you're not correct. It is not a criminal offence to be in the toilet and you're doing yourself a disservice trying to argue it is, when you know perfectly well you can't.

Putting in that it would be a crime if they then committed a crime is absolute nonsense.

I cannot fathom why so many people want men to be in women's and girls private spaces?

Why on earth would they want that?

Well trying to understand this thread it seems that no one said it was a crime to go to the loo.
However if a woman is upset by a man in the ladies then it seems that legally she can ask that he be removed. ANd if he refuses, the police can become involved.
Doubtless we never needed a law to ban men from the ladies as historically men were on the whole decent, and to break the social norm would require a lot of subterfuge.

Yes, you can ask for anyone to be removed if they are bothering you. It doesn't mean that person has committed a crime, which is what is trying to be argued.

If women have penisz, then we have a solution. Trans can sleep with the entire penisz population, since women have penisz. That's sorted out the incels and the trans and misogynists - all whom rate the penis being as superior to a vagina being.
Wtfmen.

No, you're not correct. It is not a criminal offence to be in the toilet and you're doing yourself a disservice trying to argue it is, when you know perfectly well you can't.

Putting in that it would be a crime if they then committed a crime is absolute nonsense.

Petrol, you are failing to distinguish between UK Civil law and Criminal Law.

UK Civil Law states that males, regardless of how they present themselves, should not be in spaces / services etc designated for females.

The liability, in civil law lies with the proprietor / manager of such a business.

I repeat, see Schedule 3 of the Equality Act 2010 and its associated Explanatory Notes.

A Criminal Offence occurs only if there is a breach of an aspect of Criminal Law; eg: Sexual Offences Act 2003.