Women don't have penises

[jellybean85]

Just in service station and it seems the word is spreading! See next comment for pic

If we’re going to go on about trapped in the wrong body, I was going to say that I was a pretty young woman trapped in a frumpy middle-aged woman’s body. Then I had to rescue another pretty lady on the bus from a letch and thought nah.

Why should these women need rescuing from be-penised ones? Why is there such a push to deny women places away from penises?

Have we run out of petrol?

Ha!

It's really telling when someone finds so many ways to say that they believe Karen White should be in a women's prison without actually saying those words. Trying to argue about where someone shouldn't be rather than actually admit it. If it was such a straightforward idea, posters like Petrol would have no problem saying it. But it's not, and Petrol knows it.

BTW, did Petrol ever tell us how we can tell if someone is a man or a woman? I'm ever so eager to learn.

Petrol gave us no explanation of anything beyond not giving a shit and making things clear as mud.

No, I've just seen - we still have petrol. Just not on this thread it seems. Fingers crossed we get re-fueled soon and answers are forthcoming

They are over here complaining mumsnet is a dark abyss:
Peak Transing www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3636131-Peak-Transing

Reminded me of my love of Slayer and Seasons In The Abyss. Awesome album.

At the moment, though, everyone seems to be just talking round petrol, though. It's most amusing and I wouldn't be surprised if this prompts a toddler tantrum, which would be extremely amusing.

They do seem to conflate "pointing out the elephant sized holes in my arguments" with "being rude."

The fiver has been spent

It's funny and infuriating at the same time. I followed most this thread and became eager to get a straightforward response from Patrol when asked what makes a woman a woman. I guess it really is true that none of them even bother trying to define what a woman is while being adamant that certain people are women.

So I'm going to repeat that question over and over next time I'm debating someone trans inclusive online. Maybe some of them will even realize how silly their arguments have been.

Petrol has moved over to the Peaktrans thread, so you could try copy/pasting the questions over? 😃

petrol bastard, no one is disagreeing with you that TW (or anyone) should not be treated with respect, dignity and equality. However, despite that and putting the TW issue aside, temporarily do you not see the concerns that (biological) women are raising in respect of allowing males to enter those spaces reserved for women. Those same spaces. that women feel they need for as you say respect, dignity and their own equality.
Just to give some examples
Respect - that society recognises the genuine, evidenced concerns (most on this thread) of women and girls for their
Dignity - spaces that we should feel safe to undress, tend to feminine personal needs, as two examples
Equality - Women have to strive for equality with men, it is NOT an equal playing field. By redefining the word woman, to that of how someone feels. Is a complete game changer, with serious repercussions for womens health, education, pay and participation in society (i.e women only sports)

Sticking my neck out here, but I would say there isn't a woman during her lifetime (also as a girl) who has experienced sexism/sexual assault and harassment/ and pure from males. - Happy for other posters to disagree with that statement.

I do appreciate if you are male or a TW yourself, and not necessarily having had these experiences, as they impact us greatly, and form the basis of our concerns. with all the equality legislation women still have to challenge things that those born men, take for granted, can you see that?

OMG reading this thread, I don't know how you all aren’t knees-deep in the gin by now!

In case you have none in the cupboard, for you and a salute from the US to the fortitude of U.K. feminists.

twinklystar23 Petrol doesn't give a shit.

yes, it;s been a funny old weekend all in all

I'm not a man or trans. Of course I've experienced sexual assault in my life.

I don't believe sexual assault is around every corner or that I need to go around terrifying other women about it potentially happening to them if they get too close to someone who is trans.

I don't believe sexual assault is around every corner or that I need to go around terrifying other women about it potentially happening to them if they get too close to someone who is trans

It is not about trans people.

It is about men.

Why didn't you manage to identify the man/men who sexually assaulted you before it happened and take action to avoid it happening?

I sincerely cannot believe a woman wants to make it easier for men to sexually abuse women. On what planet sexual abusers and rapists would NOT use self ID to access women spaces and commit their crimes?

I was actually molested by a woman at a party in a dark room, if you want to know.

I’m sorry to hear that Petrol

Sorry for that, but irrelevant to discussion. 35% of women worldwide suffer sexual abuse by males, and that is in excess of a billion women. Men commit more than 90% of sex crimes. It is men we need protection from , not women. Women do not rape. Women cannot get you pregnant. Women, overwhelmingly, do not kill. Let's keep reality in mind, when we design law and policy.

Men commit more than 90% of sex crimes.

Quite. 99.1% of the sex offending prison population is male. (And that's excluding the XYs with a GRC who are counted as female.)

Men, overwhelmingly, commit any crime.

I honestly don't think most people are aware of quite how skewed it is.

My UV pen has arrived

I was actually molested by a woman at a party in a dark room, if you want to know.

I'm sorry to hear that too. But, as a rape and DV survivor myself, I'm not going to cheer on attempts to make things less safe for other women, or take away their privacy and dignity.