Women don't have penises

[jellybean85]

Just in service station and it seems the word is spreading! See next comment for pic

Apologies if this has already been said.

Transwomen should still use the biological men's toilets.

Instead of trying to impose into biological women's spaces, the way the tra's are, why aren't they telling biological men to not hurt transwomen?

Why are biological women having to put up with this and be at risk? Why aren't transwomen saying to biological men, we are allowed to be in this space too?

I'll wait.

Nothing you've said yet means that people can be prosecuted for just being in the toilet.

And you wonder why there are hordes of women flocking to this website, and the gender critical movement specifically, to stop you.

I think Petrol may be slowly realising that women are armed with legal knowledge now and understand their legal rights much better to have such men ejected from their spaces, services etc.

UK law is very explicit. Sex takes precedence over gender reassignment. Schedule 3 sections 26, 27 and 28; Schedule 9 [Work Exceptions]; Schedule 23 section 3 [Communal Accommodation] are very explicit as are the associated Explanatory notes to all these sections.

Women have the legal right and the legal power to eject men in all their forms from their spaces, services, sports etc.

Nothing you've said yet means that people can be prosecuted for just being in the toilet.

The point that you miss here, Petrol, is that the owner / manager of the premises who is the one who is prosecuted for the breach of Equality Act 2010. It is the owner / manager who is liable.

To avoid such liability all owners /managers are well advised to be fully cognisant of such civil law responsibilities.

Beyond that, such owners / managers have the right to bar such men who violate their designated private spaces for females.

Jeez, why would anyone want people routinely prosecuted for a one off of trying to use the wrong toilet?! That's another corndolly, Petrol.

I'm sure 'politely but firmly directed to the correct toilet' would suffice, unless they were, in fact, committing some sort of offence, such as voyeurism or indecent exposure.

I'm an ex pub landlady. Blokes in the ladies, whether they've drunkenly bumbled in by mistake, or just wanted to check their eyeliner in the naice mirrors...not an uncommon event.

Generally leave apologetically when challenged. The ones that don't, are a problem.

Males who identify as women - sorry, not women's problem to accommodate. They can also politely be asked to use the correct facilities, ie the gents, as the law clearly expects & provides for.

Males who identify as women - sorry, not women's problem to accommodate. They can also politely be asked to use the correct facilities, ie the gents, as the law clearly expects & provides for.

Indeed. It is men who are the problem for these other men who present with their own idea of femininity. Such men who present differently from other men need to educate those other men about acceptance without exception.

It is not a problem for any woman to solve. And women are refusing to solve it, thankfully.

Generally leave apologetically when challenged. The ones that don't, are a problem.

Exactly. Men who insist on using women's facilities, despite women's discomfort, are already violating their boundaries. They are already a problem and a red flag.

People who insisting on dreaming up hypothetical, lavender scented, elderly transladies, in listed buildings, in order to shut women down, are also massive red flag.

It reminds me of that dreadful user of women who said what about if prostitutes have health and safety checks, what if they are paid well, what if they were feted by a utopian society, would it then* be okay to use them as wank socks? What if their status was higher than royalty? Would it be okay then? What if, what if...when^, when can I use women for my own ends??

Oops, my italics have a life of their own!

You're repeating what I just said. Well, you were having so much fun doing it... seemed churlish not to join in

And TRAs say we're obsessed with loos

I read a post from a MMer a while back which said if self ID happens they will start using the gents as chances are any predatory men will use the ladies whilst claiming to ID as a woman.

I think she could be right.

Annnnnnd women still don't have penises.

when can I use women for my own ends

I think you meant to say abuse rather than use, darling Datun!

I did indeed JackyHolyoake 😍

& sadly, I've known vulnerable elderly drinkers be subjected to grief in the loos (I worked in some right rough dives as a lass).

Coercion to promise to buy drinks was common. Lots of lonely, boozy, fragile older chaps hanging around pubs nursing their pension. Lots of men with learning difficulties or mental health issues.

Just as vulnerable as the 'hypothetical, lavender scented, elderly transladies'.

Pubs need better, safer toilets for vulnerable customers - sure. That doesn't mean randomly colonising the women's faciities on the basis that poor old Jan just wants a pee. Sorry.

Exactly. Men who insist on using women's facilities, despite women's discomfort, are already violating their boundaries. They are already a problem and a red flag.

They really are. Even if they superficially appear to be the womanliest woman who ever womaned. Are we clear, Petrol?

I think Petrol has realised that he is on the wrong side of UK civil law here and he's gone.

No, we don't agree. I don't agree with anti-trans rhetoric.

No, I'm actually busy. I'm not on the wrong side of civil law. You've just repeated back exactly what I said like you've said something different.

And who was the other poster who suggested putting baskets of Tampax in all the toilets, and creating a cage over the top of open cubicles so men couldn't peer over, and some chicken wire around the bottom...

All to validate men, but trying to keep out the more obvious predatory men.

It's all about the men, amirite???

No, we don't agree. I don't agree with anti-trans rhetoric.

There is nothing "anti-trans" here. What is here is a refusal to submit to the demand of men that women are subject to whatever men demand of them.

As the T-shirt states .. "Women will not submit ... Get Over It"

No, we don't agree. I don't agree with anti-trans rhetoric.

I don't expect you to agree. Nor do I care. I care about clarifying a reasonable and logically consistent position.

And my tshirt says I'm also a woman and I don't agree with this nonsense, you are welcome to share with me

Are you Mhairi Black?

And my tshirt [sic] says I'm also a woman and I don't agree with this nonsense, you are welcome to share with me

Fortunately, Petrol, you do not get to make such a decision for all women and girls.

Neither do any of you get to make a decision on behalf of all women.