Fascinating tweets about JY’s waxing case. Read here. (Thread title edited by MNHQ)

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JY’s parent sounds like an absolute loon. It would explain a lot.

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I'm confused over whether I've mis-gendered now bearing in mind JY seems to present in both ways 🤷🏻‍♀️. It wasn't intentional.

I’m not Canadian. I don’t see why anyone should be constrained by laws they don’t get to vote on. I don’t see why non-Canadians should respect their laws anyone than we should be constrained by fatwas issued by any other crackpot state.

I'm confused over whether I've mis-gendered now bearing in mind JY seems to present in both ways

Everard I'm taking the line that the court record shows that at the time of the incident JY was still using male names themselves and at times was presenting as male and didn't subsequently make changes until after the event.

Thus its highly relevant to the case to refer to JY as male at the time, and therefore suggesting there is 'misgendering' after the fact is simply a smoke and mirrors way to try and discredit the defendant and deflect from the events as they happened.

In the context of this case I think it's fair to use male pronouns for that reason.

In other situations the justification to do so might not be as strong and might be viewed as disrespectful but the entire point is that this looks like opportunism and has malicious intent if you understand what JY gender identity was at the time as it changes the context of events and distorts the reality of that moment.

You can't change your gender identity and then use that to effectively retrospectively to go after people you dislike for not respecting your gender identity which they couldn't have known and you didn't have at the time.

Yes good point. It’s not live tweeting per se. Reporting from the tribunal on the same day, but after the facts. I’ll report my OP.

To all those journalists not covering this, I find the quote by Amy Goodman suitably advisory

“Go to where the silence is and say something”.

Thanks OP - I would hate for the tweeter to have any problems from this. (plus Im glued to this shit show and want to see how it ends)

Notorious tampon screen shots have been bought into evidence as far as I can tell.

Implication appears to be that an interest in receiving waxing services from particular racial groups of women is relevant as well as ongoing interest in tampons?

I thought that the ethnicity aspect was interesting. I'm wondering what the other two defendants' ethnicity is...

JY asks why would BH do haircuts for post op trans women.

BH says that they don't have a penis on their head. (outburst of laughter in gallery)

There's a point where this starts to feel like court facilitated bullying and abuse of the woman defendant. The defendant seems to be going to town on her right to her religious beliefs and her right to set her own boundaries over handling penises.

This is reminding me more and more of the kind of court set ups enjoyed by abusive exes over contact.

BH is one brave woman. I think I saw a tweet that her husband was there too. I hope she's got the whole Sikh community behind her. Several other potential defendants had settled out of court or through mediation, apparently, but there are two other cases potentially to come. However, the court agreed that common themes determined in BH's case could be carried over to the other two, so this is probably the worst of the lot as far as the defendant is concerned.

Thanks OP - I would hate for the tweeter to have any problems from this. (plus Im glued to this shit show and want to see how it ends)

Me too.

I have reported my OP but I guess it’s taking MNHQ a while to get round to it.

Why is she frightened of periods???

FGS.

Agree with the tweet about this being state sanctioned sexual harassment now.

That's exactly what I thought Michelle. JY coming across as an abusive, nasty fucker.

I agree. At what point will it click with the tribunal that this racist bigot is using the court to perpetrate racism on a woman who is a migrant?

A remarkable coincidence that the victim defendant at the next hearing will be another brown woman.

JY is doing a sterling job of showing the world why women need female only spaces-to keep them safe from delusional males.
The tampon/young girl obsession is sickening & we can all see it.

At what point will it click

People knowing and people actually caring are massively different things.

Brown women are not allowed to say no.

The "details about periods while waxing" questioning is sexual harassment. It is clearly fishing for info to support sexual gratification.

No certification for doing male waxing?! I find that hard to believe, no training courses or anything, given how..delicate the area is? Unless its more that its rare for men to want intimate waxes or something. But I doubt it, seems to be a bit of a trend at the min

I wonder if any Human Rights lawyers are looking at the conflict between individual and group rights here and feeling a little queasy.

This case is asking for a legal precedent to be set as to whether gender identity takes precedent over all other protected characteristics and women's rights.